Supplements/steroids for long-distance runner

What's you background in peds use?

I've tried many of the OTC supplements -- at any given time I've used creatine (currently on a three-week hiatus) and many of the other muscle-builders. Never used anything beyond what you can buy in the average GNC.

so are you looking for otc supplements that might give you a boost? There are not many otc supplements that will gain you 10lbs of lean mass at this point in your life.

jb

No, not necessarily looking for any OTC supplements. Probably some other PEDs that can help enhance lean muscle but won't hurt (and hopefully may help) the endurance, strength and stamina when running long distances.

I'd run a blood test to check cholesterol and liver values before you do anything. If everything checks out, try running a cycle of test C or E, or sustanon for eight-to-12 weeks, max 250mg/week, probably less.

EPO, for the running side of the equation, will give you the biggest boost, but I think, bang for you buck and less hassle, a simple Testosterone cycle is the way to go.

Make sure you study pct very closely. That's actually the most important part. You don't want a testosterone hangover and restarting at 50 is going to be harder than when you were in your 20s and 30s, at least for most people. Procure all your drugs before starting. And research how to correctly inject inter-muscular.

Even for such a simple cycle, you've got some reading ahead of you. There are many pitfalls and false alarms.

Thanks. Can a testosterone cycle be taken orally rather than injection? And how about EQ or bolderone rather than testerone?

An oral testosterone cycle hasn't really been devised yet. You should avoid oral steroids. They are hard on the liver. Almost all of them. EQ alone, although I've never done an EQ only cycle, probably wouldn't work well. EQ generally is injected along with testosterone. It is a good rbc and strength booster, hence its use among endurance athletes.

You'll find that, most people consider testosterone to be the foundation off which all other steroids are stacked. It's unusual to see a cycle without testosterone and, if you've never done cycle before, a testosterone-only cycle is normally the recommended course for first time users.

Thanks. I'll need to do my own research on that, but how do you know which testosterone is right -- Testosterone Cypionate, enanthate, propionate or suspension? And, proper doses?

If its the needles that bother you you could try the Test gels. At 50 you may be a canidate for TRT anyway. Would be worth geeting all the bloodwork done and go from there. Do your homework though. TRT means you could possibly be on for good, many doctors neglect to tell that at first.

Otherwise a good 12 week cycle of test c/e and a good PCT as stated above would be the ticket.

For what its worth, you probably wont get the gains your looking for from the gels.

I'd start with 200mg test and adjust up or down from there. You will probably feel like a new man at that level. I did and I'm in my late 30's.

Posted by: cuttingrunner

Thanks. I'll need to do my own research on that, but how do you know which testosterone is right -- testosterone cypionate, enanthate, propionate or suspension? And, proper doses?

You'll want to read the profiles on each. The longer esters (the C and E) take about four weeks to kick in but are more stable and last the longest. Prop, though i've never used before, is sometimes painful to inject and needs to be injected more often since it doesn't last as long. Sustanon is a combination of short and long-lasting esters of testosterone.

Research the profiles and the pct (post cycle therapy). Also, while you're researching, keep in mind that the vast body of knowledge on testosterone and steroid use comes from the body building world. There are body building dosages and endurance dosages. BB dosages are way higher almost across the board with all aas because they are trying build unusually high amounts of muscle mass. If you take the smallest bb dosages and cut it in half you have a average-to-high dose for endurance people.

Unless you're supplychain. Then, all bets are off.

I don't mean to be presumptuous, but if you don't think you can inject yourself, you should drop this idea and stick to clean living.
Last edited by 20yearsRacing on 04-02-2007 at 08:03 PM

Thanks. Yes, I might opt for that direction. But, the info is very helpful.

It's not that bad. Some people actually like it.

Unless you have a true phobia.

The biggest hurdle to clear, though, is procurement.

After that it's smooth sailing.

Does testosterone have a great advantage over HGH or are they similar?

i've never done HGH, only read about it. It is expensive and is normally run in conjunction with testosterone. Sometimes at the same time and sometimes between cycles.

I haven't looked into it that closely, but it's greatest value seems to be in the creation of satellite or new muscle cells. Where testosterone acts on a given number of muscle cells, HGH actually creates new muscle cells. So you can probably see the benefit of using one in conjunction with the other.

My understanding is, it grows all muscle tissue and i believe it grows bones and connective tissue. Look that up. I could be wrong on that point. It also grows internal organs so you can end up with what is called HGH gut. It's where mostly your intestines grow.

But, I don't think there are too many more sides associated with HGH other than that. Research it to be sure.

Testosterone, for example, the common sides are elevated cholesterol (overall), acne, hair loss, aggression, elevated liver values and BP, and a couple more I'm missing. It's likely that all of those side will happen to a certain degree, but at 250mg/week or less, probably not very noticeable and almost always back to normal a couple weeks after pct. Beware though. Some people are very prone to different sides. It's not for everyone.

But with testosterone you will experience a greater sense of well being, increased strength and stamina and ability to focus, greater sex drive, and sometimes better hand-eye coordination, healthier or thicker skin, generally a better appearance.

For me, two or even three cycles annually at 250mg/week for 10 weeks is, well, I think healthy. If you continue training and living active between cycles, commit to a solid post cycle therapy, prepare yourself mentally for those couple weeks when you're getting used to living a "normal" post exogenous testosterone life where everything is harder, then you'll be better for it, IMHO.