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13/02/2019 8:17 pm
I am so CONFUSED over all the info all over the net concerning the compound R-ALA (and ALA). And a search on the different forums is useless. Every "expert" is saying something different.
This makes sense to me:
Insulin DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHERE IT GOES.
Got that? It means that insulin goes to fat cells or muscles cells wherever there is an insulin receptor.
EXERCISE INCREASES GLUT 4 ON THE MUSCLE AND DECREASES THEM ON THE FAT CELLS.
Get that? After you workout, you have MORE glut 4 to take up insulin on your muscle than on your fat cells. THAT IS GOOD and means exercise and glut 4 is controlling insulin and keeping it out of your fat cells.
R-ALA DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT WHERE IT GOES, EVER!
Is that a difficult concept? Fact is such has been shown over and over and over with the monkey scammers quoting it like it's gold, BUT this is the BIG problem with ALA. While, yes, ALA 'may' keep insulin down, it still jams glucose into muscle AND FAT cells with NO REGARD for the presence of a glut 4 receptor!
So great, r-ALA is an INSULIN MIMIC not bound to the mechanism of endogenous insulin controls and THEREFORE it pushes glucose into your fat cells indiscriminately. Of coures the monkey scammers also acknowledge the water holding which goes on in the fat cells especially around the stomach which is proof of glucose going into fat cells, but they don't address it as being a problem of ALA. CAUSE THEY ARE SCAMMING TO MAKE A BUCK!
And that, my friends is why you DON"T use it to dispose glucose, if you have that much of a fucking problem, you should be eating so much goddamn glucose!
Yes, I used it the old way as did others and I sell it as does instynct, but I just told the sheepil to use LESS for BETTER benefits without making yourself fat. So get all the benefits and save money and if you choose to use it as goofs recommend because you can't control your gluttonous intake of glucose, then I leave you with your fat water holding abdomen to enjoy your basking in stupidity and ignorance!
13/02/2019 8:48 pm
You sound angry.
Do you need a hug?
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13/02/2019 9:25 pm
i agree with bjj, why do you have to be so dogmatic and argumentative, why not just state your position and see the responses? You are not likely to evoke any responses since they know youwill just attack them rather than simple ague your points. I am sure that fonz will be delighted to respond since he seems to weather the critical storm quite well but overall you are defeating your purpose.
jb
Topic starter
13/02/2019 10:19 pm
Re: R-ALA once more and hopefully for the last time.
I am so CONFUSED over all the info all over the net concerning the compound R-ALA (and ALA). And a search on the different forums is useless. Every "expert" is saying something different.This makes sense to me:
Insulin DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHERE IT GOES.
Got that? It means that insulin goes to fat cells or muscles cells wherever there is an insulin receptor.
EXERCISE INCREASES GLUT 4 ON THE MUSCLE AND DECREASES THEM ON THE FAT CELLS.
Get that? After you workout, you have MORE glut 4 to take up insulin on your muscle than on your fat cells. THAT IS GOOD and means exercise and glut 4 is controlling insulin and keeping it out of your fat cells.
R-ALA DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT WHERE IT GOES, EVER!
Is that a difficult concept? Fact is such has been shown over and over and over with the monkey scammers quoting it like it's gold, BUT this is the BIG problem with ALA. While, yes, ALA 'may' keep insulin down, it still jams glucose into muscle AND FAT cells with NO REGARD for the presence of a glut 4 receptor!
So great, r-ALA is an INSULIN MIMIC not bound to the mechanism of endogenous insulin controls and THEREFORE it pushes glucose into your fat cells indiscriminately. Of coures the monkey scammers also acknowledge the water holding which goes on in the fat cells especially around the stomach which is proof of glucose going into fat cells, but they don't address it as being a problem of ALA. CAUSE THEY ARE SCAMMING TO MAKE A BUCK!
And that, my friends is why you DON"T use it to dispose glucose, if you have that much of a fucking problem, you should be eating so much goddamn glucose!
Yes, I used it the old way as did others and I sell it as does instynct, but I just told the sheepil to use LESS for BETTER benefits without making yourself fat. So get all the benefits and save money and if you choose to use it as goofs recommend because you can't control your gluttonous intake of glucose, then I leave you with your fat water holding abdomen to enjoy your basking in stupidity and ignorance!
Sorry if you misunderstood me. Animal from animalkits wrote everything from this "Insulin DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHERE IT GOES" and the rest.
Its his explanation of what R-ALA does. I am just the confused one..
Topic starter
14/02/2019 12:46 am
Here what he says about r-ala:
Use your r-ALA right before your workout and if you want, with non carb meals, but that's about it.
r-ALA is NOT an effective glucose disposal agent, well, it is, but if you want the glucose disposed into your fat, more power to ya.
Topic starter
14/02/2019 1:20 am
What are your thoughts on r-ala Lyle?
Topic starter
14/02/2019 2:33 am
As much as I hate to agree with Animal, I don't see how it can have the partitioning effects being claimed as it affects both muscle and fat cells. What you need is a way to increase insulin sensitivity only at hte muscle, if you can decreae insulin sensitivity at fat cells, that's all the better. None of the current insulin sensitizers (that I'm aware of) do this, they all affect both fat and muscle.I've tried to read Fonz's defense of it, he seemed to just keep repeating that ala leads to 17% less insulin than without it. But it takes only tiny increases in insulin to affect fat cell metabolism so I don't buy this.
Used right around a workout, when blood flow to the muscle is increased might have an effect. It did seem to improve the quality of CKD carb-loads.
thing is, exercise per se improves insulin sensitivity, most insulin sensitizers do wonderful things if you're insulin resistant and jack shit if you're not.
So increased blood flow or not, I don't see how ALA is going to really affect things around exercise.
I think it's overrated except maybe an an anti-oxidant unless you're a diabetic and just need to get blood glucose down (realize that diabetic treatment folks don't care where the glucose goes which is why they use drugs like the TZD's which are known to increase fat cell mass; they just want glucose down for health reasons) no matter what.
Lyle
Thank you for that answer Lyle.
It would be a great supplement if it made the glucose find its way to the muscles rather being stored as fat. But it would be to good to be true.
I have used a lot of r-ala the last year when eating on a calorie surplus and with cheat meals. I have always had a tight waist even if it was some fat there. The suddenly the last year I have been having trouble with a distended stomach and maybe animal has an answer for that too (read the first post)!
Topic starter
14/02/2019 3:11 am
Check out this one for Spook "write up" on ALA!
14/02/2019 6:35 am
What are your thoughts on r-ala Lyle?
As much as I hate to agree with Animal, I don't see how it can have the partitioning effects being claimed as it affects both muscle and fat cells. What you need is a way to increase insulin sensitivity only at hte muscle, if you can decreae insulin sensitivity at fat cells, that's all the better. None of the current insulin sensitizers (that I'm aware of) do this, they all affect both fat and muscle.
I've tried to read Fonz's defense of it, he seemed to just keep repeating that ala leads to 17% less insulin than without it. But it takes only tiny increases in insulin to affect fat cell metabolism so I don't buy this.
Used right around a workout, when blood flow to the muscle is increased might have an effect. It did seem to improve the quality of CKD carb-loads.
thing is, exercise per se improves insulin sensitivity, most insulin sensitizers do wonderful things if you're insulin resistant and jack shit if you're not.
So increased blood flow or not, I don't see how ALA is going to really affect things around exercise.
I think it's overrated except maybe an an anti-oxidant unless you're a diabetic and just need to get blood glucose down (realize that diabetic treatment folks don't care where the glucose goes which is why they use drugs like the TZD's which are known to increase fat cell mass; they just want glucose down for health reasons) no matter what.
Lyle
Topic starter
14/02/2019 7:33 am
As much as I hate to agree with Animal, I don't see how it can have the partitioning effects being claimed as it affects both muscle and fat cells. What you need is a way to increase insulin sensitivity only at hte muscle, if you can decreae insulin sensitivity at fat cells, that's all the better. None of the current insulin sensitizers (that I'm aware of) do this, they all affect both fat and muscle.I've tried to read Fonz's defense of it, he seemed to just keep repeating that ala leads to 17% less insulin than without it. But it takes only tiny increases in insulin to affect fat cell metabolism so I don't buy this.
Used right around a workout, when blood flow to the muscle is increased might have an effect. It did seem to improve the quality of CKD carb-loads.
thing is, exercise per se improves insulin sensitivity, most insulin sensitizers do wonderful things if you're insulin resistant and jack shit if you're not.
So increased blood flow or not, I don't see how ALA is going to really affect things around exercise.
I think it's overrated except maybe an an anti-oxidant unless you're a diabetic and just need to get blood glucose down (realize that diabetic treatment folks don't care where the glucose goes which is why they use drugs like the TZD's which are known to increase fat cell mass; they just want glucose down for health reasons) no matter what.
Lyle
Thank you for that answer Lyle.
It would be a great supplement if it made the glucose find its way to the muscles rather being stored as fat. But it would be to good to be true.
I have used a lot of r-ala the last year when eating on a calorie surplus and with cheat meals. I have always had a tight waist even if it was some fat there. The suddenly the last year I have been having trouble with a distended stomach and maybe animal has an answer for that too (read the first post)!
Topic starter
14/02/2019 8:21 am
Check out this one for Spook "write up" on ALA!
14/02/2019 9:40 am
I agree with Lyle on this issue. I'm not adding anything as it's been beaten time and time again.
However, there seems to be some good anecdotal reports suggesting R-ALA may be an effective means of normalizing liver enzymes during the use of methylated androgens.
Rick
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14/02/2019 10:40 am
if only it did not tear up my stomach.
jb
14/02/2019 11:37 am
Check out this one for Spook "write up" on ALA!http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=1&t=11521& ;" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f;=1&t;=11521&
Does anyone but me somettimes feel like Spook is just making it up as he goes along?
Lyle
14/02/2019 12:08 pm
I agree with Lyle on this issue. I'm not adding anything as it's been beaten time and time again.However, there seems to be some good anecdotal reports suggesting R-ALA may be an effective means of normalizing liver enzymes during the use of methylated androgens.
Rick
I had a private discussion with one of the individuals on Avant that really has a hardon for ALA.
I think at least 3-4 times I asked him what measurable changes in body comp he had seen in himself or his test subjects. Were any of them bigger, leaner, stronger?
He never answered.
I find this telling.
Lyle