Two newbie questions.

Ok, how much of the 14lbs was muscle? If Pro-Hormones will put 14lbs on you, they would be illegal.

I happen to know Joe, and his gain is legit. Also he trains at his house as well so imagine what the gay 1-ad could have done if he did know how to train an eat. Now I could care less about pro hormones as I prefer to juice my balls off(literally) but they worked for him and some of you guys are very smart with PH and the juice. No one in this thread yet obvioulsly. I invited him here to post about his expierance and also maybe get a little insight how much better a light winny or primo cycle would be. If he responds to 1 AD this well imagine the real deal. You were all little newbies one time or another so cut some slack. Got nothing construtive to say then STFU. Have a nice day

I of course do not like PH's, but will not get into the whole 'do they work or not debate' here. As to mild gear. Royal is right orals are harsher then injectables for the most part. I would go with low dose injectable test for a first cycle. If you are dead against needles then go with var, primo, or winny tabs. The gains will be mild but the sides shouldn't be too bad either. I agree with Valk getting a big bench or great build requires more then drugs. Give us gear heads some credit we train are asses off in the gym! using gear is a personal matter and its not for everyone so best of luck with whatever you choose.

Lacada there is two reasons why they are not illegal. 1. Because they are derived from natural resources 2. Because they are not used for ANY medical purposes Just because they aren't illegal doesn't mean they aren't effective, ignorance is bliss isn't it?

You could make a cream with tren pellets and DMSO cream. You only absorb about 50-70% of the potency, If you ran 50mg ED with 50mg Winny ED, you would blow up and lean out without needles.

Originally posted by littlewilly I of course do not like PH's, but will not get into the whole 'do they work or not debate' here. As to mild gear. Royal is right orals are harsher then injectables for the most part. I would go with low dose injectable test for a first cycle. If you are dead against needles then go with var, primo, or winny tabs. The gains will be mild but the sides shouldn't be too bad either. I agree with Valk getting a big bench or great build requires more then drugs. Give us gear heads some credit we train are asses off in the gym! using gear is a personal matter and its not for everyone so best of luck with whatever you choose. excellent advice:biglaugh: But he didnt mean anything about being a juice head and benching 650. He meant hes looking for some decent gains and knows hes not in the game like we are. Thats all