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Topic starter 28/08/2019 7:34 pm
RG,Have a bunch of orals I want to us up(freebies from a bro of mine). Is it possible to increase recovery using orals(Anavar,T-bol) only on a case by case basis, meaninig after long training days pop a anavar and T-bol w/ my post w/o recovery nurtition.Have you ever heard of using orals in this way? After reading your post I thought I would re-introduce this topic. Any thoughts? Sorry to bring this up again. Have a good one guys.
PS. As for the AEI's no armidex but plenty of clomid and nolva. What aabout 1/4 tab of each????
I think any roid will help with recovery. The trouble is if you just do one here and there you get an androgen/anabolic boost for a day but then your T drops for that day and another day until the roid starts to clear. ANY androgen will be sensed by the hypothalamus and immediately have a negative impact on GnRH release....and then that means less LH from the pituitary and then less stimulation of the testes.
But say once a week after a really hard ride it might be beneficial. T would drop on that day and for about 24 hours but your HPTA axis would not shut down. Orals have a short half life so done infrequently say for a day or two max... the HPTA axis is minimally affected. Two days would probably shut down all your T but it would rebound quickly as the roid cleared. I would take clomid 50mg the next day. So you could take say 50 of anavar after a hard ride today and then in 18 hours you could pop 50 of clomid. The half life of anavar and most orals is less than half a day.
That would be the best way to do orals from time to time. The clomid would assure a rapid rise in T and probably to above your normal level for a while since clomid has a long half life. You can use Nolvadex at 20mg instead with the same results.
But in all honesty nothing helps recovery more than test...nothing else can compare to your naturally produced hormone. Some roids man be more "anabolic" than test mg for mg but none have tests recovery power.
Anavar has been given bad reports by some endurance men for some reason....but only over a few weeks of steady use. Try 50 mg once a week after a hard ride for a good anabolic boost.
D-bol is super strong so you could get a big anabolic boost with say 25-40 mg in one dose.
winstrol...50 mg
Oral primo...at least 50mg.
In regards to the estrogen blockers nolva and clomid. They will not have any test boosting affect if you are on test or a steroid.
But as a sole diet then 1/4 of each would work fine. mg for mg nolva is stronger by the way.
There is no need to mix the two though as this doesn't make there use any more effective.
There is a study that had men on only 25 mg of clomid and it raised their T nicely.
See my estrogen blocker post.
Estrogen blockers will not get ride of estrogen bro....they just block it at the breast and hypothalamus.
28/08/2019 7:50 pm
RG
Thanks for the input man..really appreciated. Have plenty of comid/nolva around, and will give this a try. Would you think to follow same protocol with oral t-bol? Have to get rid of my orals and then will be test and epo only. Thanks again for your input.
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Topic starter 28/08/2019 8:11 pm
RG
Thanks for the input man..really appreciated. Have plenty of comid/nolva around, and will give this a try. Would you think to follow same protocol with oral t-bol? Have to get rid of my orals and then will be test and epo only. Thanks again for your input.
Yeah...T-bol is good and without the aromatization to estrogen of d-bol.
Use the same protocol.
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28/08/2019 8:33 pm
Crap bro 300 of test is a good dose for even a track sprinter...but it needs an AI at about half a tab every other day.
You a track sprinter? If you are a 4000meter trackie then it's too much.I can get a bodybuilder above his "natural" maximum attainable weight/size with 300 of test.
RG
No, I'm a BB'er that rides a bike. I'm 5'8, 240'ish...albeit around 17% body fat at the moment...hoping to get to 12.
28/08/2019 9:01 pm
No, I'm a BB'er that rides a bike. I'm 5'8, 240'ish...albeit around 17% body fat at the moment...hoping to get to 12.
5'8 240lbs!!! Damn dude, your huge, sure wouldnt fight with you for someone's wheel...
28/08/2019 9:19 pm
LOL....
Realgains, your posts reminded me of my post last year....
https://www.growxxl.com/bodybuilding/flame-me-a-rant-for-you-cat-iii-ivs
And here, I was going to repeat the same mistake this year.....I did the gaining of muscle mass over the off season....now time to follow my own plan....which was an endurance dose.
Like I said, shit's psychologically addicting (for me anyways)......
Now if I could just afford EPO....surely that would propel me from a Cat IV to Pro.....right?
Topic starter 28/08/2019 9:37 pm
No, I'm a BB'er that rides a bike. I'm 5'8, 240'ish...albeit around 17% body fat at the moment...hoping to get to 12.
Maybe you should try track sprinting bro!
RG
28/08/2019 10:05 pm
As I mentioned a couple weeks ago I feel excellent with this dosing:
T. prop 15-20mg e3d,
2ie hgh eod
igf after hard trainig...
ok and some vit E
later
28/08/2019 10:27 pm
and this method of dosing would be ok to get you through dope tests?? As it wouldnt raise test level enough to fail?
28/08/2019 10:48 pm
Great Post RealGains! I'll ask Jb to make this post a sticky because it provides great information for the newbie as well as those of us that have been around for awhile.
If you don't mind, I just want to add a couple of personal experiences to address some of the issues you brought up.
Weight gain - 200 TE + 200 Eq does not cause me to gain weight with a very strict diet and adequate training! I've lost five pounds in four weeks and current bodyfat is below 10%. I hope to drop another five pounds in four more weeks and race at 7% bodyfat. Am I an anomoly? I don't think so. It's all about THE RIGHT CALORIES IN versus calories out AND training your ass off!!!!
Cholesterol- my cholesterol hovers around 145 on cycle with the HDL being around 45. Off cycle, I've seen total cholesterol at 115! I religiously take fish oil and include high fiber/low glycemic carbs in my diet. Normally three to six grams of fish oil spreadout through the day. A baby aspiring a day is also in my routine.
Recovery - Nothing beats a good protein shake with high bcaa contents for post training and another one before bed. If your stomach can handle it, take a shake one hour before your ride also. I did back to back century rides this weekend and feel totally fresh today.
It has been said many, many times on this forum and is worth repeating again: "without adequate training and a good diet, testoterone and steroids can be a detriment instead of a great training tool" Why mess up your entire hormonal system for months and possibly longer if you're going screw around by not training right and eating right. It's all about the training, imo. If you have low self control, get a coach or someone that can give you a smackdown when you start to screw around. It'll be money well spent (just a plug for you).
W.
28/08/2019 11:11 pm
depends on the test :
whether it's tested for T/E or metabolites....
never do the clomiphene protocoll (other thread) if you get tested....pretty simple to detect....
Topic starter 28/08/2019 11:38 pm
Great Post RealGains! I'll ask Jb to make this post a sticky because it provides great information for the newbie as well as those of us that have been around for awhile.If you don't mind, I just want to add a couple of personal experiences to address some of the issues you brought up.
Weight gain - 200 TE + 200 Eq does not cause me to gain weight with a very strict diet and adequate training! I've lost five pounds in four weeks and current bodyfat is below 10%. I hope to drop another five pounds in four more weeks and race at 7% bodyfat. Am I an anomoly? I don't think so. It's all about THE RIGHT CALORIES IN versus calories out AND training your ass off!!!!
Cholesterol- my cholesterol hovers around 145 on cycle with the HDL being around 45. Off cycle, I've seen total cholesterol at 115! I religiously take fish oil and include high fiber/low glycemic carbs in my diet. Normally three to six grams of fish oil spreadout through the day. A baby aspiring a day is also in my routine.
Recovery - Nothing beats a good protein shake with high bcaa contents for post training and another one before bed. If your stomach can handle it, take a shake one hour before your ride also. I did back to back century rides this weekend and feel totally fresh today.
It has been said many, many times on this forum and is worth repeating again: "without adequate training and a good diet, testoterone and steroids can be a detriment instead of a great training tool" Why mess up your entire hormonal system for months and possibly longer if you're going screw around by not training right and eating right. It's all about the training, imo. If you have low self control, get a coach or someone that can give you a smackdown when you start to screw around. It'll be money well spent (just a plug for you).
W.
Good comments bro....
But I will say that 200 of test and 200 of EQ per week will result in most men holding some water weight and may need of some estrogen inhibitor to stop this.
Agree 100% on everything else.
RG Last edited by Realgains on 04-30-2007 at 04:13 PM
Topic starter 28/08/2019 11:55 pm
depends on the test :
whether it's tested for T/E or metabolites....never do the clomiphene protocoll (other thread) if you get tested....pretty simple to detect....
"They" can now test for synthetic testosterone via radioassay. They look a the differences in carbons from natural test and synthetic. Detection time is weeks. Not used though...way too expensive. They only do it with the pro's if your testosterone to epi-testosterone ratio is f-ed up oR you score an about normal total testosterone.
Clomid has a half life of about 6 days...so in 12 days you cannot detect it.....but then your testosterone will have dropped back to your normal range for you by that time.
It's a tool for training and not a race day tool like having an elevated hematocrit for weeks after stopping epo. As a side..epo can only be detected for 72 hours and as little as 10 hours after a micro dose.
However, "they" now have a blood test that can detect epo for a week and "changes" in blood markers for up to a month! Very expensive and not used.
29/08/2019 12:23 am
I guess everyone is different on the weight gain. On 200mg of test cyp I had noticeable muscle development in my upper body, especially biceps. I do no weight work. Swimming is the only thing that I do that works my upper body. I lost body fat but put on some extra pounds of muscle. Riding as whole improved though, even climbing.
Dr. Chrisler is giving a talk on Sermorelin at the A4M National convention in December so he isnt giving out a bunch of Information before then.
29/08/2019 12:44 am
"It's a tool for training and not a race day tool like having an elevated hematocrit for weeks after stopping epo. As a side..epo can only be detected for 72 hours and as little as 10 hours after a micro dose.
However, "they" now have a blood test that can detect epo for a week and "changes" in blood markers for up to a month! Very expensive and not used.
very good post bro,
epo blood test? well you'll never see it besides on the tour de france, therefore igf seems to be the way Last edited by bergflo on 04-30-2007 at 05:38 PM
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