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08/07/2019 11:54 am
I'd rather run the minimum amount of HCG to keep the 'boys' working, which according the study that has been posted here a number of times, works out to be 300iu eod.
I've been doing HCG for 2 weeks now, 2 times per week (wed/fri), yesterday I did my 4th shot at 300 iu. My balls are much better now, they are down and full again.
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08/07/2019 12:23 pm
guijr....so you are running only 600iu pw with success?
Why are you running it? is it only to get the boys hanging properly or any other reasons?
08/07/2019 12:51 pm
Sorry my bad. Test levels will be suppressed, but androgen levels would be elevated, making up for the suppressed T levels.
Taking 300iu HCG eod should be enough to counteract the T suppression, so no need to inject any test.
False, that is actually the reason I recommend test in every cycle. Test is shut down, so in essence you are replacing your own test with whatever you are taking exogenously.
Other androgens do not equal test though. They have their own characteristics as the result of better or poorer interactions with the human physiology, or because they gain or lose interactions entirely. Testosterone is a natural substance of great importance to the proper functioning of the human anatomy in millions of ways. The other drugs simply can't fuilfill all the necessary tasks that test does, or not to the correct degree. THAT is in fact the reason why test is such an important part of cycles health wise.
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08/07/2019 1:21 pm
I've been doing HCG for 2 weeks now, 2 times per week (wed/fri), yesterday I did my 4th shot at 300 iu. My balls are much better now, they are down and full again.
250 will actually cover it and is often an easier to measure dose. But to everyone here asking, yes, 300 is in the perfect range that won't cause downregulation (to any serious extent for the duration of a normal cycle) and will keep your balls functioning.
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The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.
08/07/2019 1:49 pm
False, that is actually the reason I recommend test in every cycle. Test is shut down, so in essence you are replacing your own test with whatever you are taking exogenously.Other androgens do not equal test though. They have their own characteristics as the result of better or poorer interactions with the human physiology, or because they gain or lose interactions entirely. Testosterone is a natural substance of great importance to the proper functioning of the human anatomy in millions of ways. The other drugs simply can't fuilfill all the necessary tasks that test does, or not to the correct degree. THAT is in fact the reason why test is such an important part of cycles health wise.
According to the study I refer to, HCG at ~300iu eod will stimulate the leydig cells to produce as much testosterone as is produced under normal circumstances whilst taking supraphysiological doses of test. Wouldn't this also apply to AAS that cause suppression in the same way as supra doses of test?
08/07/2019 2:06 pm
guijr....so you are running only 600iu pw with success?Why are you running it? is it only to get the boys hanging properly or any other reasons?
Yes, so far so good.
My boys were not as big and down than before TRT.
They say that it improves well being, but I did not notice it yet. As a matter of fact, first time I shot HCG I felt strange, not felt bad but a little weird.
When you shot HCG testosterone levels increase, so that's another good thing -- in my case -- to use it .
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
08/07/2019 2:35 pm
250 will actually cover it and is often an easier to measure dose. But to everyone here asking, yes, 300 is in the perfect range that won't cause downregulation (to any serious extent for the duration of a normal cycle) and will keep your balls functioning.
For me 300 IU is easier to dose since it's exactly 0.2 mL in my Slim injection and the HCG that I use has a dosage of 1500 IU per mL.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
08/07/2019 3:02 pm
hmmm always thought 1000iu pw was to maintain base level? bit confused.
08/07/2019 3:21 pm
It's about 1000ius a week, but split it up a bit...
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08/07/2019 3:39 pm
hmmm always thought 1000iu pw was to maintain base level? bit confused.
Don't wanna be a dick here, but we have to keep in mind that sometimes The Principle of Biological Individuality may explain such a differences. Besides that, remember that I'm a newbie... "so every little thing she does... does good to me, yeah" (The Beatles). But I don't know if in the near future it will cause the same positive adaptation. On top of that, I remember that BC once posted that 250 IU (2 times per week) would to the trick, so... Find below more info on Biological Individuality:
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Zhao J. Cell individuality: a basic multicellular phenomenon and its role in the pathogenesis of disease. Med Hypotheses. 1995;44(5):400-2.
ABSTRACT
Every type of cell has its own special features that differentiate its members qualitatively from cells of other types. Within the same type of cells, however, every single cell also has its own unique characteristics that deviate itself from other individual cells, although they are alike collectively. These kinds of individual differences between cells are described here as cell individuality, which says basically that, within a cell population or even within a multicellular organism, every cell is a unique individual living being; and no single cell could be completely identical to another, regardless of how similar to each other they are. The individuality of a single cell can be represented by all sorts of cell characteristics, which are countless and range from physiological activities to molecular constituents. These individual differences in cell characteristics are generally presented much more in degree or in quantity, rather than in kind or in quality. Moreover, such cell individuality or quantitative variations within or even between cell populations may also play a basic role in the pathogenesis of disease, and particularly in the susceptibility of cells to the disease process.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
08/07/2019 3:58 pm
yeh of course. I mention it because he mentioned the study. And in the study the conclusion was 1000 pw split up over 3 doses or so.
Of course I'm not arguing that there are differeing responses. We see that from the 50kg guy to the 130kg hulk.
Otherwise why would they do a study to get 1000iu as baseline, and then completely ignore what they found?? you have to admit 500iu is quite a deviation from 1000iu.
08/07/2019 4:26 pm
The other drugs simply can't fuilfill all the necessary tasks that test does, or not to the correct degree. THAT is in fact the reason why test is such an important part of cycles health wise.
It could be great if you could give examples and scientific references. Other AAS seem to be suitable for TRT, MENT for example.
08/07/2019 4:57 pm
Black, I'd like to know your position on the HCG dosing thing that we've been talking about, thanks.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
08/07/2019 5:37 pm
very interesting black...low doses if you have been using...high doses if you come off after no hcg during cycle usage.
So if you have a mild cycle say 10 weeks test at 500mg, would 5000iu for one week suffice to make sure recovery is good, if you have not used hcg during cycle?
08/07/2019 5:38 pm
I usually advise 2500 every 5 days for week 10, 11 and 12 then ( 10000 IU total) for a PC crash dose. Too much, too frequent could have a reverse effect. So you need to space crash doses for shock value.
Good things come to those who weight.
The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.