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05/12/2018 6:43 am
That isn't what this thread started about, everyone was talking about what the sides were and the estrogenic properties, dont be a bandwagon geek on bigcats knowledge. I never implied it was a class of steroid. Bigcat has a great amount of knowledge on these subjects and i dont need you to tell me the same thing he already has. okay?
No, but aside from that, the reason I replied to your post with the first link was because based on that first profile you made assumptions about stacking it with test. That was the flaw in my opinion. Bill Roberts likes to theorize. That doesn't mean he doesn't write some good things as well, but it takes some practice to discern the crap from the good stuff.
Good things come to those who weight.
The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.
05/12/2018 7:28 am
No, but aside from that, the reason I replied to your post with the first link was because based on that first profile you made assumptions about stacking it with test. That was the flaw in my opinion. Bill Roberts likes to theorize. That doesn't mean he doesn't write some good things as well, but it takes some practice to discern the crap from the good stuff.
Cat,
I completely agree with what you are saying and didnt even think about it like that. Next time i will just be more specific.
HD
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06/12/2018 6:52 am
Have you gotten your blood work done? Keep in mind, you can't go on "feel" to judge if you've recovered or not. It needs to be tested.
I've done my share of cycles and PCTs, so I have a good idea of what it feels to be recovered.
Anyway, yes I did bloodwork and yes, Testosterone took longer to rebound when using oxymethelone. Even longer than with tren.
06/12/2018 7:41 am
Yes, that is also the only reason I consider Anadrol an advanced drug, it takes someone who knows what they are doing to safely and efficiently control blood pressure without compromising health and gains.
You mean one has to learn how to deal with Antihypertensive drugs right? What is the best medicine to control such a side effects?
What doses were you using?
I've never use it, just trying to learn more about it here. But if a newbie is planing to use it, how much Anadrol a day should he use with some test or whatever?
Talking about stacking Anadrol, what would be a good one?
Another side i forgot to mention that really is the one negative from the viewpoint of me, the trainer, is that it seems to curb appetite as well.
Well, I think that appetite issues are things not that hard to handle, huh? But I wonder why do you think it's a problem that Drol curbs appetite?
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
06/12/2018 8:26 am
Yes, that is also the only reason I consider anadrol an advanced drug, it takes someone who knows what they are doing to safely and efficiently control blood pressure without compromising health and gains.What doses were you using ?
Another side i forgot to mention that really is the one negative from the viewpoint of me, the trainer, is that it seems to curb appetite as well.
I used 75 mgs ed along with 600 mgs wk test and tren 80 mgs eod. This was a cutter but I gained some lean mass also. Used diovan for BP.
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SBH :)
06/12/2018 9:23 am
my observations are that in the presence of carbs and salt drol will cause an exceptional amount of bloat. when one is careful to eat clean the bloat becomes much less of an issue. Since drol is commonly used in bulking cycles it is not unusual to be used in comjunction with high carb and most likely higher salt, a bad combo in my mind.
jb
Well speaking as an observer of many rather than a user, bloat is not that uncommon. But you are right, it does deserve a side note that it is highly individual. I remember one person that did not bloat at all, while using Dbol gave him a head like a melon. But a lot of people do bloat when on anadrol.
06/12/2018 10:24 am
imo, hctz comes close to being the perfect diuretic/anti-hypertensive for use with aas including drol. guijr it sounds like you might be considering crossing over here? Anadrol is the ultimate sexy steroid bad boy! Super powerful, super fast, super strong, super dangerous. at least that is the perception. I guess if i had a healthy liver, a healthy respect for oxy, a good plan and the ability to buy it cheaper than a pack of gum i would be tempted to give it a whirl! Ultimately it turns out to be not all it is cracked up to be and most that try it stop using it on a regular basis.
jb
06/12/2018 10:55 am
guijr it sounds like you might be considering crossing over here?
Not really bro, when the great day comes I shall use exatly what you have told me before via PM. You know how much I care about what you say, don't you ?
Anadrol is the ultimate sexy steroid bad boy! Super powerful, super fast, super strong, super dangerous. at least that is the perception. I guess if i had a healthy liver, a healthy respect for oxy, a good plan and the ability to buy it cheaper than a pack of gum i would be tempted to give it a whirl!
Come on JB, don't put things in my head... these temptations... it's a sin .
Ultimately it turns out to be not all it is cracked up to be and most that try it stop using it on a regular basis. jb
Do they end up stopping using drol because of the sides?
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
06/12/2018 11:47 am
The sides are overstated. I'd say it has more to do with not being able to maintain the gains.
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SBH :)
06/12/2018 12:37 pm
Did you use to get sick while on Brazilian Anadrol (Hemogenin)?
Hemogenin is bad, evil stuff. If you get any of it, you should send it to me so I can dispose of it properly.
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06/12/2018 1:20 pm
[B]You mean one has to learn how to deal with Antihypertensive drugs right? What is the best medicine to control such a side effects?
Diuretics or ACE-blockers. In general I'd opt for a milder diuretic, like hydrochlorthiazide. If that doesn't suffice, then you will have to learn to handle stuff like lasix, and as a last resort you can stack lasix with an ACE-blocker.
I have my doubts about ACE-blockers, since evidence points out that AngII may be anabolic, and until we clarify the precise anabolic action of oxymetholone, we cannot exclude this as part of its mechanism of action.
Milder diuretics can be used quite safely by a healthy person, but if you use stronger stuff I would advise the supervision of a physician for the first attempt (this is of course always a good recommendation when using any type of prescription medication)
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I've never use it, just trying to learn more about it here. But if a newbie is planing to use it, how much Anadrol a day should he use with some test or whatever?
If you are very receptive to anabolic effects, starting at 50 and working your way up is the best of course. But a lot of people aren't that receptive, nor sensitive to the negative effects of the high blood pressure and will choose to start at 100. For most people that is an ideal dose by the way, although 150 and 200 mg a day are not uncommon, I find that the extra strain is not worth the small increase in gains.
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Talking about stacking Anadrol, what would be a good one?
Almost anything. On the front end of a bulking stack, like test/tren, it would probably be most effective.
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Well, I think that appetite issues are things not that hard to handle, huh? But I wonder why do you think it's a problem that Drol curbs appetite?
It is a prototypical bulking drug, generally you will want to keep calories up during that time. That becomes harder when you lose your appetite.
Good things come to those who weight.
The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.
06/12/2018 2:18 pm
I used 75 mgs ed along with 600 mgs wk test and tren 80 mgs eod. This was a cutter but I gained some lean mass also. Used diovan for BP.
Nice results for a cutter with those products. Possibly you weren't as succeptible to the sides because of the test and the lower dose of oxy.
Good things come to those who weight.
The Big Cat is a researcher and theoreticist. His advice must never be taken in the stead of proper advice from a medical professional, it is entirely intended for research purposes.
06/12/2018 3:15 pm
Hemogenin is bad, evil stuff. If you get any of it, you should send it to me so I can dispose of it properly.
I will do that, watch your mailbox .
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
06/12/2018 4:13 pm
Diuretics or ACE-blockers. In general I'd opt for a milder diuretic, like hydrochlorthiazide. If that doesn't suffice, then you will have to learn to handle stuff like lasix, and as a last resort you can stack lasix with an ACE-blocker.I have my doubts about ACE-blockers, since evidence points out that AngII may be anabolic, and until we clarify the precise anabolic action of oxymetholone, we cannot exclude this as part of its mechanism of action.
Milder diuretics can be used quite safely by a healthy person, but if you use stronger stuff I would advise the supervision of a physician for the first attempt (this is of course always a good recommendation when using any type of prescription medication)
If you are very receptive to anabolic effects, starting at 50 and working your way up is the best of course. But a lot of people aren't that receptive, nor sensitive to the negative effects of the high blood pressure and will choose to start at 100. For most people that is an ideal dose by the way, although 150 and 200 mg a day are not uncommon, I find that the extra strain is not worth the small increase in gains.
Almost anything. On the front end of a bulking stack, like test/tren, it would probably be most effective.
It is a prototypical bulking drug, generally you will want to keep calories up during that time. That becomes harder when you lose your appetite.
Very well explained, congrats.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
06/12/2018 5:18 pm
hemogenin, those were the days, eh SB?
jb