oral steroids

There are no legal steroids, but there are some very potent pro-hormones which are legal. Just remember, efficacy also comes with more side effects as a general rule w/pro hormones. M1T was a prime example of this.

I don't think m1t is legal anymore.

M1T, superdrol (17AA-drostanolone) and pheraplex (DMT) were by all accounts steroids and not prohormones. Some of the downright dirtiest and harshest orals at that.

i agree, i still have a couple bottles of M1T that i bought when legal and never used

jb

prohormones are easily available in the UK, or things like epistane which work well. Orals are hard on the liver!

Prohormones are basically oral steroids. There used to be some pretty decent ones available in the US but not now.As BC said, some were very harsh, but I never used those anyway. Using M1T not a good idea IMO.

Technically we classify oral steroid as those with a 17AA group, with a slight exception for a couple 1-methyl steroids like methenolone and mesterolone.

We classify prohormones as compounds that need to undergo one or more metabolic alterations to yield an active compound.

The two terms are hardly interchangeable, the first line of prohormones with 4AD, 5AD, 19Nor, 19Diol 1,4AD and 1AD where by all means not oral steroids, evidenced by the immensely large doses needed to yield results with oral consumption (600-1200 mg daily, orally as the norm). These compounds did enjoy a brief stint as injectable, and not that bad, just that they were so inferior to basic gear they were shortlived.

The first steroid released was 1-testosterone. By all means also not an oral steroid, despite the 1-methyl group. Then we lost all sense of reality by introducing the extremely toxic 17AA group yielding 3rd generation prohormones (then called pro-steroids, when in effect they were designer steroids) with the first legal oral steroid, M1T. This was followed up with the superdrol (methyl-drostanolone) rage, and then pheraplex (madol/DMT), which really drove home the point, since Pheraplex was one of the compounds found by Don Catlin as a designer steroid massively abused and used to avoid detection by elite athletes during major events.

Good to see you back Bigcat. How did that tren treat ya

tren treated me ok, I quite cold turkey at week 11 though and went into the hospital following personal problems. very, very long story, but the short version is that my fiancee, the girl i was with 5 years and had two kids with, had been cheating on me for over a month. I had two suicide attempts and ended up in the hospital with complications. Coming off an 8 week diet I could no longer eat or drink, then tried to end it with 10g of clen and 1g of lasix. Went in with resting heart rate of 170, BP 18/12, sweating like crazy, hyperkalemia (paradoxically) and kidney, heart and muscle damage. Severe rhabdomyolysis was the diagnosis.

Been ok physically for nearly a month now, was on beta blockers for a while, especially since they saw I had some cardiac hypertrophy, but emotionally its been very rough. which is why I haven't been so active of late, but i'm getting there, slowly.

Sorry to hear that big cat. It's been a rough year me also (bad auto accident, divorced while I was in recovery ect).I stand corrected on the phs. I made an injectable of one of the earlier ones myself. Never took the big doses. All the ones that I foold with after that were 17AA.

Hang tough big cat. God knows I can relate to what you have been through. The only thing that keeps me going at times is focusing on the immediate now. Talking to myself telling myself I can make it through the next 5 minutes and never looking past that. When you look at the big picture it seems hopeless which is why I never look past the current day. I think about my training, my job, and my diet. Becoming OCD about the three at times but beleive me its better then the alternative. Shoot me a pm sometime my friend.

damn sorry to hear that BC, we are always here for you, you know that.

jb

Come on JB, you are a genious man, what a brilhant guy you are, don't do this ever again, specially for a woman bro, you deserve more than that. Be strong and let time do its work for you and for your beloved ones. Use your mind to go over that. Your kids need you for a lifetime. God bless you.

I was pretty deep. I never thought I could fall that deep again, but it happened. Like I said, it is a VERY long story, you have no idea how awful this was, people break up and cheating is commonplace, what I went through was a whole lot worse, trust me, but a little much to tell here i'm afraid.

A lot was compounded by the fact that I was on week 11 of my cycle when i went into the hospital, quit cold turkey, missed my window for HCG and crashed HARD. A good friend of mine pointed this out, and hooked me up with some free TC (that's when you know you have a really good friend, when they send you free gear to save your life, and save it it did), told me I should ride it out on some TRT. So I'm currently still doing 400 mg TC right now until I get my life back in order. Actually contemplating going on for life 10 years before I planned to. Just have to decide if i ever want to have another kid or not.

it made all the difference in the world. The bad thoughts were still omnipresent, but they weren't eating me alive anymore.

The good news is, it was once again iron, and gear, that played a crucial rule in pulling me through, and it has envigorated me to do more research again. 3 of the new profiles have gone up on MAS in the mean time, hope to complete two more this month at least.