oral 1-test or inject?

Originally posted by 1fast400 You guys are amazing. The lack of knowledge about PH is amazing. Do a search on: BodyBuilding.com MindandMuscle.net CuttingEdgeMuscle.com You can see for yourself this stuff works. Does it work as well as steroids, no. It is more expensive than steroids, yes. Does that make it a shitty supplement, no. I've personally encountered face to face more pro hormone users than anyone on this board. There can't be that many "placebo" effects out there. LOL whatever bro. Like I said earlier its sad but so many boards have hidden agendas. SOme are pushing drugs, some supps. You really need to weed through the BS. I can only really think of 2 or 3 people on here that use oral PH's and one of them has posted that he sells supps for a living....so we know why he likes them $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Like I said earlier its sad but so many boards have hidden agendas. SOme are pushing drugs, some supps. You really need to weed through the BS. I understand that with SMALL sites, this could be the case, but with larger ones, nearly impossible. You want to talk about a site that pushes various things, yet you support elite? Could you have a better example of a site that edits and controls the material posted?? I can only really think of 2 or 3 people on here that use oral PH's and one of them has posted that he sells supps for a living....so we know why he likes them $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Ok you know 2-3 people, so that makes you the authority on this subject? This is to funny.

We here at Bolex do not slam other sites however, although many slam us. So its up to the members to find the hidden meanings in posts on those 'PH sites'. Here at Bolex we sell only the truth. No drugs, no supps, just info. What a great board!

Here at Bolex we sell only the truth. No drugs, no supps, just info. What a great board! If some are selling ignorance, then that is not a good thing.

Originally posted by 1fast400 I understand that with SMALL sites, this could be the case, but with larger ones, nearly impossible. You want to talk about a site that pushes various things, yet you support elite? Could you have a better example of a site that edits and controls the material posted?? Ok you know 2-3 people, so that makes you the authority on this subject? This is to funny. Listen wise ass. I've talked to about 100+ people who have used PH's ...about 2 liked them! One was a supp salesmen. Like I said everyone should have a right to post an opinion. You like PH - Good for you. But watch your fucking mouth! And learn some respect.

Originally posted by 1fast400 If some are selling ignorance, then that is not a good thing. Keep pushing asshole. If you have an opinion post it. If you dont like mine add me to your ignore list. But dont call me fuckin' ignorant again!=fu

.......and if you dont like the views on bolex feel free to fuck right off!

This is a prime example of someone who takes a message board way to seriously. I countered your claims and asked you to go look outside of your box (anabolex) and you spout off about biased websites and so on. All I've asked you to do is go look and you blow up. This is a message board man, don't take it so seriously.

Well u know what guys. Ive seen what my bro littlewilly looks like. The fucker is 205 lbs right now with a spiderweb of veins on his lats, traps, chest, quads...Hes a freaking monster...Who can outbench my 30 lb heavier frame any day of the week... Ive never seen a pic of u Bodyfx, or this new guy 1fast400. Why not post your pics. If PH are all that guys, lets see the results. Till then I'm with littlewilly...they ARE crap, they ARE over priced, they ARE falsly marketted. Period.

HaHa, I love it when guys use this one: "Which guy is bigger because he must know more", "who can lift the most weight". A 200lb gorilla would tear littlewill apart, does that make the ape smarter? Of course not. If you want the results of PH, travel outside of Anabolex and go see the other boards, there are 1000's of results posted all over the place. As far as my credibility goes, I'll let others speak on that. I'm far from the new guy to internet message boards. A simple search on google under 1Fast400 will show you that.

So how about those pics bro?

LOL, Big V thanks but maybe stop staring at my veiny lats. Kinda creepy..... There are of course many views on every subject, I did not get annoyed until you claimed I was ignorant. My opinions and experience do not classify as ignorance simply my experience. I base my views on the worth of a supp, drug, routine etc on those that have tried it and succeded or failed. Most users (not all) that I know have hated PH supps when taken orally. As I have stated on many threads I have limited expereince with injectable PH's therefore I will not comment on their effectivness. There are a few members of this board that beleive PH's work, so be it, perhaps for them they did. However if you look at the majority of posts it is clear users are not happy (these include many of the bolex mods including myself) I am a member of other boards and I can assure you opinins are the same over there. At least at boards that are honest. I know of many that are not. I will not sit here and bash other boards, many are good, I believe bolex is the best as do most members here, if you dont like it here dont log on. I'm glad you think PH's work and for you they might have but most users hate PH supps , this is a fact. I feel like a broken record here or as Acid said "kicking a dead horse' I'm not sure how many times people like Big Kev, acid, valk, or the 1000's of others on this board need to say PH dont work. It seems pointless at this time since anyone who can read knows they dont work for the majority of users. If they work for you use them, but dont slam those that stand up for what they believe is true. Myself and others like me will always be here to bring sanity to the hyped up claims of supp companies using pro Bodybuilders to push worthless supps. As a moderator i feel it is one of my duties to help people make the best progress they can in Bodybuilding and avoid pitfalls. If one day they make a PH that works i will use it and rav about it, I am not agaisnt PH's I am against the lies PH companies put out about their products. I think that about covers it all, it seems silly to have to argue over something like a supplement. But I do not like to see people get ripped off or mislead. And I do not like to be insulted for my views, sorry if you think I take myself too seriously but bodybuilding is very important to me and I will always give my honest opinions regarding it.

My opinions and experience do not classify as ignorance simply my experience. Opinions that are based on ill findings still don't change that fact. I base my views on the worth of a supp, drug, routine etc on those that have tried it and succeded or failed. Most users (not all) that I know have hated PH supps when taken orally. With your experience, you should know that many things play into the use of any supplement. A crappy routine and diet obviously will not be optimal for gains while using a PH or any supplement. Give links to specific examples. There are a few members of this board that beleive PH's work, so be it, perhaps for them they did. However if you look at the majority of posts it is clear users are not happy (these include many of the bolex mods including myself) I am a member of other boards and I can assure you opinins are the same over there. Please instead of making such comments why not link me these threads (outside of anabolex/elite) of these unhappy PH users. For ever 1 you produce I will produce 5 of happy customers. At least at boards that are honest. I know of many that are not. Of the three I asked you to go to, do you consider any of those dishonest? If so why? Otherwise this statement means nothing. I will not sit here and bash other boards, many are good, I believe bolex is the best as do most members here, if you dont like it here dont log on. I didn't say I didn't like here. I just don't like it when people don't know what they are talking about. I'm glad you think PH's work and for you they might have but most users hate PH supps , this is a fact. You have a few friends that don't like them and have prevent little otherwise against them. That doesn't make it fact. I feel like a broken record here or as Acid said "kicking a dead horse' I'm not sure how many times people like Big Kev, acid, valk, or the 1000's of others on this board need to say PH dont work. What about the scientific minds that say they do? I guess they don't know anything. It seems pointless at this time since anyone who can read knows they dont work for the majority of users. Step outside of your comfort zone here and I think you'll see a different world. If you go on elite fitness you would think the AF stores glucorell R was the only supplement on earth, obviously that isn't the case. If they work for you use them, but dont slam those that stand up for what they believe is true. I would say the same to you, the difference is my stance is backed with far more proof than yours. Myself and others like me will always be here to bring sanity to the hyped up claims of supp companies using pro Bodybuilders to push worthless supps. As a moderator i feel it is one of my duties to help people make the best progress they can in Bodybuilding and avoid pitfalls. As do I, which is why I've been to court and spent well past 10,000 dollars to prove this. I've been sued over my label claims testing work, showing companies that underdose their products. If one day they make a PH that works i will use it and rav about it, I am not agaisnt PH's I am against the lies PH companies put out about their products. Some companies, I agree, but there are good companies that put out good products. And I do not like to be insulted for my views, sorry if you think I take myself too seriously but bodybuilding is very important to me and I will always give my honest opinions regarding it. You are passionate about your position and I respect that, however your position is simply wrong.

In response to your picture request, sorry I don't do them. If you want to see me, come to the Mr. Olympia. I'm a major sponser of the show. I'll be handing one of the place trophies for the Mr. Olympia, you can see me on pay per view.

I am not wrong. I love you supp guys who always throw the ball at us to find studies yet you produce none. I really do not feel like sitting here all nite wasting my time backing up the experinece of my clients and friends. But I will take this time to fight back for what I believe in because you sir are very arrogant and down right WRONG in your points. You state: Opinions that are based on ill findings still don't change that fact. How are they ill findings? They are experince from mods and members of many boards. you state:Please instead of making such comments why not link me these threads (outside of anabolex/elite) of these unhappy PH users. For ever 1 you produce I will produce 5 of happy customers. I am not a member of elite. I am not going to spend all nite linking threads for you....do your own fucking searches. you state:I didn't say I didn't like here. I just don't like it when people don't know what they are talking about. Seems you just dont like those that dont like your worthless supps. Sell your shit elsewhere bro! You state (and this is funny):What about the scientific minds that say they do? I guess they don't know anything Scientific minds????? most docs dont think steriods work asshole. None of them think PH's do.....LOL. You publish double blind medical studies on them....and not ones sponsered by VPX and muscletech.....LOL Thanks you made me laugh my ass off with that one! You state:I would say the same to you, the difference is my stance is backed with far more proof than yours. I have 1000's of angry bodybuilders behind me bro, you aint got dick. So there is a brief rebutle to your points. I take this board seriously, I do not take you seriously. Congrats on your MR. O thingy. How many of them are using your PH's ???????LOL...... Not impressed bro and really dont give a rats arse what you think. Most users are with me. Search the boards. You'll see. This is a pointless debate and I am willing to agree to disagree with you. Your attitude stinks bro and since you are biased towards PH's your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. I am not a supp saleman or drug dealer my opinions are my own and not dictated by profit. Now I really think this issue is dead. You like em, I hate em. Must we continue arguing all nite over it?????...I got places to be. I'm sure you do too. later.