oral 1-test or inject?

So now that we have ruled out the oral use of PH's why would you inject anyway when gear is sooooo much more effective. And gear is more cost effective in the end. If you don't want to use gear because of legality or something else you would be much better off saving that money for PH's and buying Protein or food. Because a good diet will yield much better results than any supplement.

Just my .02 but I went the way probably most of us have gone. First supplements, then a variety of the PH's available and then gear. I have to honestly say that they worked for me. I no doubt retained water on them which as we all know helps with our strength but I did pack on some real weight too. I was just looking back through my logs from a few years back after reading this thread. To say they do not work at all is just not practical and plain wrong. Like gear, I am guessing everyone responds in his own unique fashion. I'm not a biochemist so I am not about to engage in debate over bioavailability, etc. Nor am I a cut and paste from someone elses article or post then take it as fact kind of guy either. I have used them and they DID WORK for me. I have moved well past that point now but I have to say if suddenly all the gear in the world was gone that I would not think twice about using them again. The only reason I moved on to gear in the first place was that it is cheaper and far more effective.

You guys DO realize that this is NOT the only bodybuilding board on the net, right? Go do a search on 10 boards and you will see many more positive responses than negative, and alot of the negative responses are from people that use lousy quality product, took too little, or do not know how to train or diet. I have felt the effects of a 1-Test/4-AD cycle first hand and have watched many people blow up on various PH cycles. They have actual measurable physiological actions within the body and that is a fact. Even steroid freaks like huge Dave Palumbo have talked of the effectivenss of PHs. Oh well, I'm done trying to convince you. Do what you wish.

There are others but.......... This is the only board that matters!!! LOL Actually there are a few other good ones to. But many of them out there are worthless and push pointless crap on people or silence those that stand up for facts if they go against what the board owners want. None of that here, if you like something post it, if you hate it post it. Everyone is welcome to add in their opinion. here is mine: PH supps are a scam.

I've taken the PH's myself, specifically, in the beginning; 4-AD, 19-Nor-AD and most recently the 1-Test. I did gain 15 lbs in two months with the 4-AD and nor-AD and I never gain weight like that, ever. I am curious in a cycle the real stuff just for comparison purposes because I read on this board that there's absolutely no comparison when compared to PH's. Also, it seems the PH's are, as Bodyfx2 stated, becoming more and more to be considered actual steroids. I know California is making these illegal to sell because the FDA is claiming them to be steroids. If the FDA classifies PH's as steroids, how could anybody disagree with that?

Beginning to think we are just beating a dead horse here lol

There are also several lawsuits against PH manufactures for false advertising. Best of luck to those guys taking these con-artists to court!!!!! You have my full support!

I agree!! To bad I can't find actual clinical studies on this issue. If I had the cash, I would have them done to know for sure.

Originally posted by acidsk8 Beginning to think we are just beating a dead horse here lol Gives us something to do. A dead horse cant fight back.....LOL 😀

Originally posted by acidsk8 Beginning to think we are just beating a dead horse here lol It's kinda like the deca only thread. Everyone said to add test cause deca only sucks but some people never listen. They post a question and wait for the response they want to hear. Even if 9 outta 10 people tell them otherwise, they'd rather listen to the one that makes them happy. Can't change the world, so smile and wave.....:biglaugh:

Its funny because they have already made their mind up and if one person agrees with them they are happy. Even if that one person doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. But yet you have vets on the board trying to help them out and they let it go in one ear and out the other. Oh well guess if they like wasting money and getting bitch tits let them have it.

It makes me perfectly happy to agree to disagree...just have an open mind to those that have used PHs and have gotten results.

You guys are amazing. The lack of knowledge about PH is amazing. Do a search on: BodyBuilding.com MindandMuscle.net CuttingEdgeMuscle.com You can see for yourself this stuff works. Does it work as well as steroids, no. It is more expensive than steroids, yes. Does that make it a shitty supplement, no. I've personally encountered face to face more pro hormone users than anyone on this board. There can't be that many "placebo" effects out there.

Hmmmm.......All sites that are selling or promoting PH's wonder why they would have only good things to say. Yet if we search the boards here or at EliteFitness we get a majority of negative comments....

Hmmmm.......All sites that are selling or promoting PH's wonder why they would have only good things to say. Yet if we search the boards here or at EliteFitness we get a majority of negative comments.... The people who post on bb.com hardly buy from there. MindandMuscle.net doesn't sell a prohormone and CEM doesn't even have a store, I don't think. Bodybuilding.com has about 40k members or something like that, you think there are that many "fake" people? Elitefitness is a board that edits any bad material in regards to their own product line (AF stuff), so I'm not sure how accurate they can be on information.