Favorite supplements/drugs and why?

LOL, You guys are cool. VS may not have the same affect on others that it had on me. I believe that using it combined with creatine and BCAA's feed my muscles. But the key to it all was the training. I dont agree with the "if you think you are working out you will gain muscle mass. That is just like not having a job and thinking you have money, you are still broke. Let me clear something up, when I was working out I wasnt doing it to go in public and get the ooohs and ahhh's because I had size and defintion. I worked out to perform at a high level in sports. The ohhhs and the ahhhs came when I cashed my check every monday!

Posted by: Fluffy

I can't say I agree, because if you know what you're doing then you'll get the permanent look, if you don't you'll face down on the end of roids, going back to where you started the "trip".

Please tell me how you cycle to keep the "swole" look permanently.You must have stumbled on to something 99.9999% of bb'ers don't know about.

Posted by: omnibus

Please tell me how you cycle to keep the "swole" look permanently.You must have stumbled on to something 99.9999% of bb'ers don't know about.

Well, maybe I was a little too sharp there...but I mean, when rookies hit the roids (almost a perfect example) they start injecting and waiting for things to happen. Things starts to happen and they dunno what it is. Nor do they keep a high enough protein intake so the body will actually use the protein synthesis the steroids often increase. And they keep water like all other people, because they don't use Nolvadex etc. So they increase weight, and get a bigger look until the end of the cycle where they don't know what to do to keep what they have "earned". Until they find clomid and figure out that they actually gotta keep working out and keep on eating to keep their size they're back to 0 again.

So as I tried to explain in the last post, I believe it's all about the user, what do you know and what do you NOT know (which you have to learn before you decide to cycle, if you wanna keep the gains). For a PRO, it's much easier to keep the gains and mass, that's hard earned - because he'll know what to do. And what causes things and what does not.

Hope that explains it...

...and becuz pro's are virtually always on!!!!!!
I didnt know that nolva dried a person out like you say it does. That puzzles me since I thought that was generally attributed to a-dex or femora?????

Fluffy I think I know what you are talking about but still steroids give you a cosmetic effect that is hardly permanent.The vascularity due to increased blood volume,increased glycogen storage etc. and the "skin texture" are highly temporary.

That's why I thought things like VS theoretically may be worthwhile if you want to maximize " the look" for a contest or whatever.

Posted by: bjjfighter

...and becuz pro's are virtually always on!!!!!!
I didnt know that Nolva dried a person out like you say it does. That puzzles me since I thought that was generally attributed to a-dex or femora?????

Nolvdex helps with water retention but not to the extent of femera or l-dex.

I look at steroid cycles as a number of stairs. You start at the bottom and on cycle you climb five or six steps after the cycle provided you continue to train and eat properely, you will still regress some perhaps as much as three steps. But on your next cycle your already on the third step and you progress to step number nine, after cycle you return to step number six. Therefore and so on.

Posted by: omnibus

Fluffy I think I know what you are talking about but still steroids give you a cosmetic effect that is hardly permanent.The vascularity due to increased blood volume,increased glycogen storage etc. and the "skin texture" are highly temporary.

That's why I thought things like VS theoretically may be worthwhile if you want to maximize " the look" for a contest or whatever.

Well yeah, most of the time it only gives you a temporary vascularity, but I believe that if you use f.ex winstrol, it hardens you up - and with the correct usage, I've seen guys "seem" hard after going off. But on most testo, deca etc. it doesn't work that way.

bjj: liftsiron answered your question...

liftsiron: I agree, you gotta be focused 24/7 to get something out of it. (you may also add that you need to increase the dosage to get the same thing out of the same drug)

Conclusion is: BodyBuilding is hard, it's a lifestyle not a hobby

I would also like to add M-5aa to my list, as well as 4-AD cypionate and 1-test cypionate.

Rick

SUPPS:

HEAT Stack - far superior (IMO) appetite suppression than EC
E/C Stack - pre-workout boost
MULTI VITA/MINERAL - Overall health
MEGADOSES VITA-C (3g) - Anti-oxidant benefits/overall health
VITA-E - Anti-oxidant benefits
COMPLEX B VITA - Increased enegery
WHEY - just cuz

NOOTROPICS:

-racetams (ani, pi) - neuroprotectant benefits
Choline - support
Vinpocetine - Increased energy/focus
ALCAR - increased mood / anti-oxidant effects
R-ALA - anti-oxidant effects

-- PHENIBUT - not so much for reducing anxiety but for the slight buzz it gives at high doses

OTHERS:

Tri-max/clen combo - synergistic fat loss (best combo i've tried yet)
M1T - awesome mass/strength gains (easily kept with proper PCT)
M5AA - attention/focus/strength gains

Posted by: Big Cat

Apart from that : evocarpine, [8]-gingerol, berberine, magnolol, flavanone. And probably a host of products most have never even heard about : L-arabinose, kurarinone, gamma-tocotrienol etc.

mine breaking these down and discussing what purposes they serve?? (and any more you may have added to the list)

thanks.

Best supps:
whey + micellar proteins (50%-50% mix)
Omega3 - omega 6
BCAA's
EAA before and after work out in addition to bcaa's
Leucine + dextrose (in the water I drink while working out: it's great)
Glucosamine + chondroitine
ALA
green tea extract
glutathione
Ging seng
Multivits + minerals

AAS: long time without using them, anyway
Test enant
Primo

Max

Chocolate
Whey and Casinate
Creatine/L-glutamine/L-Taurine
Green tea (and extract)/N-A-L-Tyrosine/5Htp/Ephedrine combo
Hemp seed oil
Chocolate
Fish oils
Multi Vits
Vit C
B Vits complex
Chocolate
Piracetam
Idebenone
r and s ALA
ALCAR
Chocolate
Grape seed extract
Deprenyl
Hydergine
Gynastemma pentaphylum conc ex
Saw Palmetto conc ex
Chocolate
Epimedium conc ex
Kava kava conc ex
Milk Thistle conc ex
4OHN
Primo
Chocolate

And there are so many more just waiting for me to try, Hoorah!

care to update? Hmmmm.

Rick "I'm baaack!"

Anyone care to update their supplement regime?

Omega-3
Whey
Milk
Egg albumin
Centrum
Vit. C
Vit. E
BCAA's
Fat/sugar-free yogurt
Nuts
Oat bran
Malto
Et cetara.