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just lift heavy and eat heavy right now, you can gain some weight. i was 5' 9" 140 at 19 yrs. at 21 i was almost 200 lbs, just from lifting and eating and eating and eating. Do it right. If youve tried that and want to use gear try something like the following: -test cyp 400mg/wk, 2 injects wk -deca 400mg/wk, 2 injects wk

models are gay. be big or be small.

Originally posted by juice1348 just lift heavy and eat heavy right now, you can gain some weight. i was 5' 9" 140 at 19 yrs. at 21 i was almost 200 lbs, just from lifting and eating and eating and eating. Do it right. If youve tried that and want to use gear try something like the following: -test cyp 400mg/wk, 2 injects wk -deca 400mg/wk, 2 injects wk Good advice! My first cycle was Sust500/Deca400 and I gained 30lbs. Clomid is necessary and will help you keep your gains. Try to rid yourself of the notion that Primo and Winny are wonder drugs just based on that ranking you saw. True, they are both great drugs and have their place and you will probably keep the gains you make from Primo and Winny but the gains will be modest and come with a high price (at least for the Primo anyway and that's assuming that it is real Primo). Go with Test/Deca as mentioned above. You won't be sorry. Doc

Dbol's gains are lost easily , so put it at the begining of the cycle if u are going to use it , and stack it with a longer lasting ester like test or deca . Winstrol at the end of any cycle can help solidfy gains , but is not necessary to keep a lot of your gains . If u wanna keep most of your gains always remember HCG plus Clomid/Nolvadex post cycle to boost your own test levels and minimise estrogen effects. Post cycle Creatine , Glutamine and Tribulis Terrestris will also help u maintain a bit a size and strength and boost natural test. I know u said u dont want to inject , but oral only cycles are not going to give u the results u want , and they are far more dangerous than injectables (more side effects). Go with a oral + injectable.

if you are doing a cycle only to look good and not for bodybuilding or other sports, then dont do it bro. What you have is called "frat boy syndrome" which commonly leads to ILS "Imaginary Lat Syndrome". not bustin your balls, but doing something so serious is stupid just to look good.......

I agree..Go as far as you can go without AAS, which means train, eat, train, and eat some more..Make sure you are consuming enough protein/carbs and dont worry about the model look right now at this stage in the game... Then after you have gained and have a decent base, then do a lot of research and make the decision.. Just my 2 cents..

Originally posted by TOOBIG24 if you are doing a cycle only to look good and not for bodybuilding or other sports, then dont do it bro. What you have is called "frat boy syndrome" which commonly leads to ILS "Imaginary Lat Syndrome". not bustin your balls, but doing something so serious is stupid just to look good....... isn't bodybuilding to build your body up to look good...i mean maybe not the skinny ass CK model look but you said 'doing a cycle just to look good'...lots of people workout and start out in BBing to look good or look better, from there it just becomes a lifestyle - and the sports thing is debatable as in using AAS is like cheating whereas AAS in the gym to look good is kindof like plastic surgery which also can be very dangerous and is not much different than using AAS IMO...both are altering your body unnaturally which is a decision an individual can make for themselves...i personally trained natural for about 4yrs b4 PH and eventually AAS and I started to work out to look and feel better then came to seeit more of a lifestyle, so RU saying my use of AAS is stupid because i want to look good and am not a professional BB and the only sport I played recently was college rugby? -T

tlhot, bodybuilding is a sport and is completely different than working out to look good. i am saying that it is stupid to risk the side effects of steroids just in order to look good. if you dont need to take them then DONT!!! before i started amatuer bodybuilding, i played collegiate rugby just like you for 4 years, even made it to the all-american team, which justified my use of AAS in order to make me one bad ass MOFO on the pitch. When i graduated, i immediately began training as a bodybuilder which led me to continued use of AAS. i take alot of risks in my use, but i need to because it enables me to be competitive with the others on stage. IF YOU DONT HAVE TO TAKE THE RISKS, DONT CHEERS

I think the use of AAS for bodybuilding is to the extreme.. so of course your at risk.. your doing more cycles.. pumping more gear into you.. on the other hand.. if you use it to look decent.. maybe 2-3 mild cycles ... more of a lifestyle and not has a sport.. I do kickbox, but I for sure need more strength and weight to compete, I know of a few ppl in high school that did it for looks.. and they turned out just fine. But the ultimate goal is not to intiminate the guy i'm fighting in the ring.. its too feel good about myself.

Originally posted by Christopher1968 its too feel good about myself. like i say sounds like AAS used in a plastic surgery type scenario...taking risks to look / feel better about self....up to you but there is that good point if you screw yourself up being unlucky with AAS related sides/damage then you probably be feeling NOT so good but more frustrated and stupid...on the other hand i think a couple of mild cycles make that scenario unlikely BUT ALWAYS possible - just keep it in mind when you make your decsion BTW if you feel bad about yourself maybe you need to see a doc, anti-d's help with that and are a lot safer...didn't think of that!!! j/k - kindof, i don't really know for you personally -T

been taking anti-ds since 18.. i'm on effexor now

you think that youre depressed now, wait till you end your first cycle, especially if you are predispositioned to depressiond

if your on anti-ds already for a while and ur still depressed, i would stay away from steroids but definitely hit the gym hard and eat eat eat and lots of protein thats it...you may have some serious problems that are aggravated a lot by the use of AAS and will make you only worse off ... especially when you come off the cycle like TOOBIG said, might want to re-think this decision, even though it may sound like a cure all to feeling better, working out i believe is good for this, but AAS to get big...im not sure you realize but the stuff will mess with your head too and if you have problems it might make them much worse.. ie. get big, but more depressed/anxious....i would take a look deeper at the root of your problem before choosing this route -T

Using gear at 150 pounds and 5'8' is fucking ridiculous. You can gain the 15 pounds within a year just by eating right but everyone always thinks there's a quick fix. The best advice was this 'IF YOU DONT HAVE TO TAKE THE RISKS, DONT' 3 cycles may do nothing but you could also get problems somewhere from them. This isn't a game.