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11/04/2020 12:04 am
can't wait to report some results! I started this afternoon post workout with 100mcg of each and same before bed. I've got 3 months worth.
Things I'm unsure of: Can I eat near injection time without inhibiting the effects? What should I do with the other vials that aren't being used? freeze or refrigerate?
I'm early 30's, 183 shredded. I could still lose a couple percent body fat, but I'm not obsessive about that. It's all about performance. I'm anxious to see what benefits this protocol will produce.
11/04/2020 11:38 am
generally food increases insulin release, which is a GH antagonist. Boosting GH by whatever means & eating near the time can cause a relative insulin resistance. This is a bit of a grey area, as there isn't much data on healthy young men taking CJC etc. then eating. From my own experience, eating within 30mins of GHRP6/CJC elevated my blood sugars too long for me to be comfortable with that.
Everyone has different sugar tolerance, but IMO no food/ coffee 1hr either side of the dose works best.
11/04/2020 12:06 pm
the more that I read about the peptides and ghrh (grehlin), the more questions are being raised. No one is doing systematic labs. Secretropin in the newest version. A prominent antiaging doc is humping it. His "research" is shoddy. Take care to monitor blood sugar, liver functions, and other hormone levels (adrenals, thyroid, and testosterone----there are some reports that previously balanced hormones are now lower!). My concerns are that those who are proponents are also selling the stuff. HGH should not be very complicated to initiate and monitor. Watch the IFG-1 andIGFBP-3 levels. I found one anti-aging doc now arguing the with these substances the IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 levels are no longer relevant. This reminds me of the market experts who proclaimed that in the dot.com era, P/E ratios are no longer relevant.
And we'll collect the moments one by one. I guess that's how the future's done. Feist, "Mushaboom", 2005
11/04/2020 12:29 pm
i'm very curious what results you will get from this stuff!
What do you mean I ain't kind? I'm just not your kind.
11/04/2020 12:56 pm
the more that I read about the peptides and ghrh (grehlin), the more questions are being raised. No one is doing systematic labs. Secretropin in the newest version. A prominent antiaging doc is humping it. His "research" is shoddy. Take care to monitor blood sugar, liver functions, and other hormone levels (adrenals, thyroid, and testosterone----there are some reports that previously balanced hormones are now lower!). My concerns are that those who are proponents are also selling the stuff. HGH should not be very complicated to initiate and monitor. Watch the IFG-1 andIGFBP-3 levels. I found one anti-aging doc now arguing the with these substances the IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 levels are no longer relevant. This reminds me of the market experts who proclaimed that in the dot.com era, P/E ratios are no longer relevant.
headdoc, any research out there suggesting that cjc/ghrp raise AST / ALT levels? For my last blood test ( I had stopped use of everything weeks prior) my AST / ALT levels were elevated. The have always been the high end of normal but this time for some reason they were about 80% higher.
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11/04/2020 1:16 pm
I read that just pinning yourself(IM), as well as strenuous exercise and can raise AST/ALT levels.
11/04/2020 1:34 pm
I read that just pinning yourself(IM), as well as strenuous exercise and can raise AST/ALT levels.
exercise defo does this. As headoc says we should all be checking our sugars if taking GH supps, finger prick monitors are cheap & pretty fool proof, so long as you haven't just had sugar on your finger before doing the prick LOL
Info like this would be like gold dust for us, the effect of things like CJC on a normal person's insulin sugars isn't well known, if you throw into the mix the fact that we're doing intense exercise & ramming in the carbs/ protein afterwards, then even less is known. The problem is that insulin resistance can take along time to develop, so symptoms might not be apparent at first.
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11/04/2020 1:57 pm
Well I've decided to dose morning before breakfast and just before bed. meals 30min-1hr before/after injections.
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11/04/2020 2:20 pm
I feel like I slept deeper last night and had an emotionally intense dream involving an old crush. definitely noticed the sleepiness after morning injection. Eyelids heavy, felt like going back to bed. mmmm...coffee. Haven't noticed the massive growling hunger reported from ghrp2 at my 100mcg dose, but I did feel a little hypoglycemic.
11/04/2020 2:51 pm
GHRP-6 is more known to produce hunger, GHRP-2 at that those won't -- unless you go above 200mcg
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11/04/2020 3:12 pm
Ah I see, thanks Pieterv. Based on what I'm seeing in the mirror(full muscles, vascularity) after only a few days, i'm stoked. It's also important to note I just came off a test/eq cycle not quite a month ago, so I'm still in pct.
11/04/2020 3:31 pm
I heard the peptides are good for PCT (better HPTA recovery - there have been some studies done) - as are others like PT-141, but that's another story
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11/04/2020 4:00 pm
I heard that myself and I hope it's true. I can tell my test is down as the morning wood is gone. I'm on nolva 25mg/day. After reading about Nolvadex XT I wanted to add it as well to see if it sped things up. I started yesterday 2 caps. If I feel it coming back I'll cut down to 1 cap as I don't want my estrogen going too low.
11/04/2020 4:23 pm
according to Dat the use of cjc is nog longer advised, are you aware of this?
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11/04/2020 4:49 pm
according to Dat the use of cjc is nog longer advised, are you aware of this?http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/37381-dats-cjc-1295-ghrp-6-basic-guides.html#post43528 5" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...html#post435285
Yup, when he says that he is refering to CJC 1295 with DAC. He now recomends taking modified GRF(129) in place of CJC-1295with DAC. Most places selling these GHRH's mistakenly call GRF(129) CJC-1295. Very confusing.
here is Dat's words from the first page of his post:
"To increase the stability and half-life of GRF(1-29) four amino acid changes where made to its structure. These changes increase the half-life beyond 30 minutes which is more than sufficient to exert a sustained effect which will maximize a GH pulse. This form is often called tetrasubstituted GRF(1-29) (or modified) and unfortunately & confusingly mislabeled as CJC-1295. If you prefer analogies think of this as a Testosterone Propionate (i.e. short-estered).
Note that some may also refer to this as CJC-1295 without the DAC (Drug Affinity Complex)."
Dr. Chrisler is giving a talk on Sermorelin at the A4M National convention in December so he isnt giving out a bunch of Information before then.