Thoughts on an "active PCT"?

Posted by: USPLabs

theory is with Test E at la ow dose along with http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=Clomi&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Clomid will allow natural rebound of testosterone. which is frowned upon. I have no problems taking the bashing.

I have used http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=Clomi&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Clomid stand alone for PCT, and I have lost gains, moods changes, sex drive is gone, and mild depression in the first 2 weeks of PCT. I not to mention PCT related acne on my back.

Since switching to the TEst E/http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=Clomi&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Clomid protocol along with my common place supplements. I retain weight and may even gain 1 or 2lbs; I avoid depression; I avoid loss of libido; I avoid back acne. Point being even if I am on, This NEW theory protocol, or as we use to call it tapering works wonders for my recovery and its a nice transition into a supplement cycle. This could be called tapering with http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=Clomi&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Clomid.

The skeptics should give it a try...I did.

ceosm

This is a very interesting and very substantial topic, and I applaud the contributers on this forum for their contributions to it!

I agree totally with the downside of "http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=Clomi&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Clomid only" PCT-it just does not work very well for most juicers...I cannot argue with scientific evidence here, but although I totally agree with the use of androgens during PCT (or parts of it), I suspect 150mg/w of test E perhaps is a bit too much? Will 100mgr/w do the job?

Personally, I have to say that my experience with the 10mgr Dball early in the morning, with nolva and http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=clen&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">clen works wonderful. This regimen of dball does not seem to hamper HPTA "recovery"-any views on this, USPlabs?

The problem is the first blood peak which give supraphysiological T levels and HPTA inhibition.

Posted by: Duc

This is a very interesting and very substantial topic, and I applaud the contributers on this forum for their contributions to it!

I agree totally with the downside of "http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=Clomi&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Clomid only" PCT-it just does not work very well for most juicers...I cannot argue with scientific evidence here, but although I totally agree with the use of androgens during PCT (or parts of it), I suspect 150mg/w of test E perhaps is a bit too much? Will 100mgr/w do the job?

Personally, I have to say that my experience with the 10mgr Dball early in the morning, with nolva and http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=clen&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.htm l" target="_blank" rel="noopener">clen works wonderful. This regimen of dball does not seem to hamper HPTA "recovery"-any views on this, USPlabs?

Cy wilson reccomends 100mg/ml but even states that 200mg/ml is suitable. He is already being critized for the Protocol so he was conservative with 100mg/ml. I use 100mg/ml on the first 2 occasions and have used 125-150mg/ml the last 2 cycles and both worked the same. I would stick to 100mg/ml.

coesm

I do a PCT procedure where I use HCG for 3 weeks post-cycle at tiny daily doses (less than 300IU/wk), before starting Clomid etc. Basically acclimatising my body to more natural levels of test without cold-turkey. Works wonders for me. Never lose much mass, maintains sex drive etc. The benefit of this over test is the Testes remain fully-functional and better placed to respond to Clomid.

Posted by: Black Baccara

The problem is the first blood peak which give supraphysiological T levels and HPTA inhibition.

Exactly. By the time the exogenous test clears, there would only be about 10 days of PCT if that.

I for one agree believe that this works..have been told similar ways to use an active recovery from an amateur bb and have seen several posts from people saying that it has worked for them.

The way my friend told me was to run Clomid 1 tab 5days on 5 off during cycle 4 and nothing while off...4 weeks on 4 off..

The other method I have considered is the doggcrap method..which is 4 weeks high test tren followed by 2 weeks cruise..(think he advocates 300mg test) with Clomid and hcg..then back on high dose for 4 weeks and repeat...

How long do u recommend taking off after running this pct with different length cycles USPlabs?

Think ur method sounds great..only thing I would say is that the Clomid dosage seems to be a bit on the high side also never heard of camphibolic but will check it out.

Peace

1ntense

Posted by: Black Baccara

The problem is the first blood peak which give supraphysiological T levels and HPTA inhibition.

If you use it upon awakening, there does not seem to be any HPTA inhibition from 10mgr dball, but I will try the 100mgr Test protocol the next time.

there is no free ride. i like the hcg post cycle until exotest from the cycle reaches physiologic levels, then back off and use standard pct. I you do not want to go off then cycling with 200mg a week of test will work wonders but you will not be recovering.

jb

Anyone else used this protocol with good results?

1ntense