nutz are gone

HCG @ 300ius EOD

Posted by: ready2explode

hcg @ 300ius EOD

For how long? I mean till the nuts are back?

I perfer 500ius eod until boys are back then 500ius twice per week until end of cycle.

When trying to keep the nuts intact, I find 500iu HCG every 4th day works very well.

If they have gone already, then as lifts says, I'd go 500iu EOD for a couple or weeks, then go every 3/4 days.

Also 200mg of Tren enth per week is not a very good cycle IMO.

Posted by: Nytol2

When trying to keep the nuts intact, I find 500iu HCG every 4th day works very well.

If they have gone already, then as lifts says, I'd go 500iu EOD for a couple or weeks, then go every 3/4 days.

Also 200mg of tren enth per week is not a very good cycle IMO.

I agree tren w/o test is a poor idea.

Thanks Lifts and Nytol.

blood work
FSH...................2.6................range 1.6-8.0
LH......................6.1................range 1.5-9.3
estradiol..............11............................13.54 to low for good sex drive?
total T...............439.........................241-827
free t................77............................34-194
fr&wkly; bound....161...........................84-402
SHBG................46..............................13-71
total estrogen.....117...........................130 or less (not too low here)

to refresh your memories
3weeks androgens, 1 week cycle of nolva&adex REPEAT
bloodwork is done mon after the week of nolva & adex

3week androgen
50mg of Test Prop E 3 day
12.5mg exemestane ed
500iu hcg ED

1week hpta rebuild
20mg nolva ed
.5mg ardex e 3d this cycle of androgens & hpta weeks were for 6 months

Person got injured and since couldnt train properly figured he would stay on the nolva & adx regimen till he healed. He got other injuries an got sick an had to end his season. Didnt do PCT, All the while on nolva & adex. he isnt feeling like his test levels are normal ( no morning woood-he is 35-not horny-not motivated for anything)

Got some blood work last sat waiting for results

yesterday, Did a shot of hcg (1250 iu's) and felt nothing. was thinking of doing 1250 e 5 days till done with the 5000. The hcg dose is so low cuz of fear of damaging leydig cells.

any recommendations?
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Posted by: triguy

blood work
FSH...................2.6................range 1.6-8.0
LH......................6.1................range 1.5-9.3
estradiol..............11............................13.54 to low for good sex drive?
total T...............439.........................241-827
free t................77............................34-194
fr&wkly; bound....161...........................84-402
SHBG................46..............................13-71
total estrogen.....117...........................130 or less (not too low here)

to refresh your memories
3weeks androgens, 1 week cycle of nolva & adex REPEAT
bloodwork is done mon after the week of nolva & adex

3week androgen
50mg of test prop E 3 day
12.5mg exemestane ed
500iu hcg ED

1week hpta rebuild
20mg nolva ed
.5mg ardex e 3d this cycle of androgens & hpta weeks were for 6 months

Person got injured and since couldnt train properly figured he would stay on the nolva & adx regimen till he healed. He got other injuries an got sick an had to end his season. Didnt do PCT, All the while on nolva & adex. he isnt feeling like his test levels are normal ( no morning woood-he is 35-not horny-not motivated for anything)

Got some blood work last sat waiting for results

yesterday, Did a shot of hcg (1250 iu's) and felt nothing. was thinking of doing 1250 e 5 days till done with the 5000. The hcg dose is so low cuz of fear of damaging leydig cells.

any recommendations?

what would be your recommendation on helping him?

Posted by: triguy

blood work
FSH...................2.6................range 1.6-8.0
LH......................6.1................range 1.5-9.3
estradiol..............11............................13.54 to low for good sex drive?
total T...............439.........................241-827
free t................77............................34-194
fr&wkly; bound....161...........................84-402
SHBG................46..............................13-71
total estrogen.....117...........................130 or less (not too low here)

to refresh your memories
3weeks androgens, 1 week cycle of nolva & adex REPEAT
bloodwork is done mon after the week of nolva & adex

3week androgen
50mg of test prop E 3 day
12.5mg exemestane ed
500iu hcg ED

1week hpta rebuild
20mg nolva ed
.5mg ardex e 3d this cycle of androgens & hpta weeks were for 6 months

Person got injured and since couldnt train properly figured he would stay on the nolva & adx regimen till he healed. He got other injuries an got sick an had to end his season. Didnt do PCT, All the while on nolva & adex. he isnt feeling like his test levels are normal ( no morning woood-he is 35-not horny-not motivated for anything)

Got some blood work last sat waiting for results

yesterday, Did a shot of hcg (1250 iu's) and felt nothing. was thinking of doing 1250 e 5 days till done with the 5000. The hcg dose is so low cuz of fear of damaging leydig cells.

any recommendations?

Just not a fan on using test that much too many sides for me...tren has always done it for me...just a bit goes a long way for me...I guess I'm lucky or just respond a bit different...I ve done test in the past with a combo of other ...tren provides me with the best..leanest..hardest look i have ever attained....I know everyone preaches test but I can do without the sides...tren i get no sides except small nutz...thats manageagle...just dont like it

Thanks for the advice fellas

Bloodwork

cholesterol............102..........range 120-200

dropped a little since

HDL...................49....................>35
LDL...................60....................75-130
chol/hdl ratio.......2.2

tsh-ultra sesitive.....1.5...............0.35-5.0
...on the low side of scale

free t3................1.88................1.5-5.0
...on the low side

freet4................1.25...............0.6-1.75

T test..............708!!!..............170-850

hhmmm why the feel like theres low amounts of test? maybe the low thyroid #'s is causing the malaise feel? looking back at bloodwork these are low thyroid #'s for this person

estradiol.........46!!!!!...............5-30
adex is being taken every 3rd day, this was done blood work was done on the morning of the 3rd day, jus to shows how one needs bloodowrk to really see how one metabolizes. now doing E2D

FSH.............4.8...................3-18
LH..............8.94................3-18
litte on low side

free test........11.25!!!.......13.00-39
explains no morn wood & lack of sex drive?

Estrogens increase liver manufacture of SHBG. Androgens decrease it. A lack of estrogens can effectively increase available blood androgens. "insynct" so because of this started te adex e2d

started 750 mg of forskolin & kelp for thyroid getting bloodwork done

the free test is the kicker. free test much more important than total. Not sure wht to do aboutit

Thyroid vals also a bit low, but i think the clear sign for now is low free test

Hcg is used to mimic LH. Normal healthy men have low LH/high T level (mean normal/physiologic values). After a cycle your LH will rise from very low to high level and in the other hand your T level remains low. A strong signal is needed for the testes to produce T again. So if you use HCG during a cycle, you must use small hcg doses (to mimic physiologic LH) like 1500 UI/week (in divided doses). If you do not use HCG during a cycle and decide to use it after the cycle and especially if your testes are atrophied, you must use greater doses : 5000 to 15 000 UI/week (in divided doses).

1) Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin maintains intratesticular testosterone in normal men with testosterone-induced gonadotropin suppression.

2) Successful treatment of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia with human chorionic gonadotropin and human menopausal gonadotropin.

3) Plasma testosterone response to HCG in normal men without and after administration of anabolic drug.