low dose test and PCT

Any input? Is PCT even needed?

age?

weight?

access to HCG/clomid/ some sort of AI?

BBR,

49 years old and weight is 159. Have access to HCG, Clomid and a.i. - Would also like to go longer than 12 weeks on test based on positive experience following 5 weeks

betterbikerides,

Any input would be greatly appreciated

It kind of looks like you will be staying "on" for your whole season, or at least most of it. I would say that PCT will be necessary, but feel that it is necessary in most instances. What is your past cycle history? Is this a first cycle? Personally, for endurance, I prefer Clomid over Nolva, but either would do the trick. Wait 10 days after last shot then start standard 4 week PCT.

dv8

dv8,
Thanks for the feedback. Not my first cycle. Have done several cycles before but at higher doses (test + eq) along with PCT (hcg + nolv). I guess I was hoping to get away without PCT with this low dose. Based on your comments I will go with HCG and Clomid

I've seen data indicating shutdown within 3 weeks at that dose. I don't see a point in cycling at that low dosage level. If you're going to stay on HRT it makes sense; otherwise I would suggest 200mg/week or higher....but that's just me.

Posted by: dial_tone

I've seen data indicating shutdown within 3 weeks at that dose. I don't see a point in cycling at that low dosage level. If you're going to stay on HRT it makes sense; otherwise I would suggest 200mg/week or higher....but that's just me.

I agree.
Unless you have normal low Testosterone you're not really going to be running anything higher than what your normal production is

depends on the user....again for Miggy 150mg pw was optimum....other might be 200, btu I don't think over 250mg for endurance is too useful in most cases. except perhaps very flat races.

Posted by: need4speed

dv8,
Thanks for the feedback. Not my first cycle. Have done several cycles before but at higher doses (test + eq) along with PCT (hcg + nolv). I guess I was hoping to get away without PCT with this low dose. Based on your comments I will go with HCG and Clomid

I hear you, but after such a long bout, the extra inscurance provided by PCT will pay off. As some of the others have noted, you may want to play with the dosage some. A possible stategy could be to use a little extra on hard training/racing weeks, prop is great for this as it is easier to control. AAS use is a balancing act for us endurance guys, if we use a lil to much, your off the back. I am "good" in the 150mg/week range for test. I have found this to be the dosage where I personally don't gain weight, and actually do lean out a bit, but am able to recover very quickly.

dv8

Hey Guys thanks for all your input. I hear about what you are saying about the dose. The reason 125mg was chosen was based on past experince. Previous experince with 200-300 mg Test Prop resulted in significant weight gain (along with a very painful backside). This current dose of 125 test cyp has had very little effect on weight but has had a very positive effect on recovery and on hard training days I feel as if I can rip the cranks off (this is also supported by increase power data from SRM)

Yes i also find prop 50mg 3xp/w is great for reco.I dont expect strength gains from it ,it more than replaces the test i have lost during hard training.If u have had strength gains from 125mg cyp p/w then u must have had a low test level B4. If i was going to use test for strength i would use 500-750mg p/w at. M/track

mtrack, what was your weigjht gain like at the 500-750mg dose?
thanks, rawdog

Any response to the orginal question?

Thanks