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Topic starter 24/08/2019 12:14 am
From what I've read, I've thought clomid competes for estrogen receptor sites. Binds to the receptors and prevent the real estrogen from binding there. This would reduce estrogen related issues like bloat and gyno.Clomid doesnt get rid of the estrogen floating around but prevents the effects from most of it. Of course, the estrogen is still there though.
I'm not arguing that Arimidex isnt vastly superior for bloating, but I'm not sure I'm convinced Clomid does nothing for estrogen symptoms (i.e. excess water in fat tissue, gyno., etc).
Of course, on the internet, there is lots of conflicting information, on all aspects of AAS.
Serms like Clomid bind with receptors at the breast and at the hypothalamus and a couple other places. There is no "binding" to be done to block estrogens water retaining properties. They don't help with water retention issues.
In order to get ride of estrogens water retention issues you have to get rid of excess estrogen. The only way to do that is to take an aromatase inhibitor...a drug that reduces the armatase enzyme that converts Testosterone and many steroids into estrogen.
Be careful what you read on the boards....many don't have a clue bro.
Those that understand SERMS like Clomid and nolva know damn well that they do absolutely nothing to reduce water retention/bloat.
Keep researching....or ask guys that know...like Jboldman for example.
RG
24/08/2019 12:44 am
Nice post....
24/08/2019 1:07 am
Cool....and the civil response is appreciated....
24/08/2019 1:30 am
Hey RealGains, thanks for the info. How long did it take your T levels to hit 1100ng/dl? Once you got there, did they remain stable despite keeping the dosage at 20mg/day?
Also, how long would you recommend staying on this cycle? Any protocol once you stop taking the Nolvadex?
This is my first post but I've been reading around the forum for months. Big thanks to everyone but especially yourself, madtrack and dannymal for all the great advice.
Topic starter 24/08/2019 1:54 am
Hey RealGains, thanks for the info. How long did it take your T levels to hit 1100ng/dl? Once you got there, did they remain stable despite keeping the dosage at 20mg/day?
Also, how long would you recommend staying on this cycle? Any protocol once you stop taking the nolvadex?This is my first post but I've been reading around the forum for months. Big thanks to everyone but especially yourself, madtrack and dannymal for all the great advice.
I tested my T while on Nolva 20mg per day ...after three weeks "on".
I never re-tested again because I "felt" the T all the way through the cycle. I started to get some acne on my back after a few weeks and then after a couple months it was pretty bad so I knew the T was up there(I get acne easy from highish T).
There are women on this stuff for years bro...post breast cancer. Most don't get many sides.
I would only do it for a few months at a time and then take a break for at least a month. Don't up the dose.
Rarely ocular toxicity can occur infrequently so if your vision changes...blurs etc then stop the drug.
You may experiences mood swings and hot flashes.
Headache maybe
There is some very minor liver stress but likely less than taking 200 of EQ.
It is best to taper off the drug...go to 10mg for ma week then stop...
but if you don't it's no big deal.
Your T will drop top your previous natural level after the drug clears and estrogen is no longer being blocked at the hypothalamus.
I would highly suggest that you get your T checked during the cycle to see where it gets you. Just tlel you doctor that you have had NO sex drive for over a year and it's putting a big strain on your marriage or relationship...he'll test it.
Of if you are in the USA just go here and do a T before Nolva and then after a month or so.
24/08/2019 2:17 am
Thanks RG, I'll post my results here when the time comes. At $7 for 10 tabs, this looks like a great value cycle.
24/08/2019 2:47 am
I tested my T while on Nolva 20mg per day ...after three weeks "on".
I never re-tested again because I "felt" the T all the way through the cycle. I started to get some acne on my back after a few weeks and then after a couple months it was pretty bad so I knew the T was up there(I get acne easy from highish T).There are women on this stuff for years bro...post breast cancer. Most don't get many sides.
I would only do it for a few months at a time and then take a break for at least a month. Don't up the dose.
Rarely ocular toxicity can occur infrequently so if your vision changes...blurs etc then stop the drug.
You may experiences mood swings and hot flashes.
Headache maybe
There is some very minor liver stress but likely less than taking 200 of EQ.It is best to taper off the drug...go to 10mg for ma week then stop...
but if you don't it's no big deal.Your T will drop top your previous natural level after the drug clears and estrogen is no longer being blocked at the hypothalamus.
I would highly suggest that you get your T checked during the cycle to see where it gets you. Just tlel you doctor that you have had NO sex drive for over a year and it's putting a big strain on your marriage or relationship...he'll test it.
Of if you are in the USA just go here and do a T before Nolva and then after a month or so.
Indeed, acne rises when my test levels are sky high.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
24/08/2019 3:14 am
On the topic of SERMs, does anyone have any experience using Fareston (Toremifene Citrate) to try to raise T? Random internet research suggests that it should be a good Nolva substitute, but I haven't read any firsthand accounts nor seen any suggested dosages for raising T.
Some studies are using 60mg daily doses of Fareston and comparing that to 20mg or 40mg of Nolva.
Topic starter 24/08/2019 3:42 am
On the topic of SERMs, does anyone have any experience using Fareston (Toremifene Citrate) to try to raise T? Random internet research suggests that it should be a good Nolva substitute, but I haven't read any firsthand accounts nor seen any suggested dosages for raising T.Some studies are using 60mg daily doses of Fareston and comparing that to 20mg or 40mg of Nolva.
It should work just as well bro...do a baseline T now...then do the stuff for two weeks and get re-tested and report back.
If in the USA you can get your T checked without a docs script..
Do 60 of Fareston...it's that standard dose.
24/08/2019 4:10 am
Sounds really interesting, doubling natural T - useful for endurance guys! and minimal sides.
I know these are banned, but any idea how long you will test positive for these for? or even if they are tested for?
Topic starter 24/08/2019 4:38 am
Sounds really interesting, doubling natural T - useful for endurance guys! and minimal sides.I know these are banned, but any idea how long you will test positive for these for? or even if they are tested for?
They test for them in some races. It has a half life of about 5 days so it takes 10 days to clear. As far as having a metabolite that hangs around for longer I don't know but I doubt it.
RG
24/08/2019 4:59 am
It should work just as well bro...do a baseline T now...then do the stuff for two weeks and get re-tested and report back.
If in the USA you can get your T checked without a docs script..Do 60 of Fareston...it's that standard dose.
Study will begin soon.
Fareston is enroute.
Need to test baseline.
Will report back.
Topic starter 24/08/2019 5:29 am
Update...
after 12 days on Clomid at 50mg/day I got a 975 ng/dl testosterone level. That's up from 590....a 65% increase in T in only 12 days. Might get an 80-100% increase after a month.
Note that I have been training very hard the last couple weeks and this knocks down everyones T unless one is on exogenous T or an estrogen blocker.
RG
24/08/2019 5:45 am
They test for them in some races. It has a half life of about 5 days so it takes 10 days to clear. As far as having a metabolite that hangs around for longer I don't know but I doubt it.RG
unless i have misunderstood what a 1/2 life is, if 1/2 life if 5 days after 10 days it would only drop to 75% of day 1 levels no??
is half life the time it takes for whatever is on the system to drop to 1/2 the original level, so after 5d 50%, 10d 75%, 15days 88.5% etc etc??
really good levels in response to the Clomid - definately worth a try i think!
Topic starter 24/08/2019 6:03 am
unless i have misunderstood what a 1/2 life is, if 1/2 life if 5 days after 10 days it would only drop to 75% of day 1 levels no??is half life the time it takes for whatever is on the system to drop to 1/2 the original level, so after 5d 50%, 10d 75%, 15days 88.5% etc etc??
really good levels in response to the Clomid - definately worth a try i think!
Half life= the time it takes for half the drug to clear your system.
It is also dose dependent. ie: a 100mg dose of clomid will still have 50mg in your system at half life.....a 50mg dose will only have 25mg.
So in order for all the drug to clear you have to factor in the dose too.