red meat.

I should make a point that its been my experience that low fat dieting is the best method to shed body fat. I've found that by eating a low fat diet I can get ripped with feelings of fullness and satisfaction. Where as a higher fat intake left me craving food since I was eating less (fat has more than 2x the cals of protein and carbs). see ive found the opposite... the high fat dieting has made me feel a lot more full cuz of the slower rate of gastric emptying, so although i was eating less total food on a gram for gram basis, i find i didnt get as hungry for example, up until 2 weeks ago i was eating 2700 cals a day spread over 5 to 6 meals... i had about 450 grams of protein, 60 carbs and 70 fat but withing 30 mins of eating, i was already getting hungry again... in the last two weeks though, ive cut my cals back to 2000, now eating 161 grams of protein, 46 carbs and 130 fat, spread over 4 meals per day with BCAA and creatine taken in btwn meals, but i actually feel fuller than i did b4 and im eating 700 cals less per day its definitely a preference thing though... if u feel fuller eating less fat and more food, then stick with that strategy cuz u should get the same results, but for me high fat has been much more tolerable just a note though... this is an intense diet aimed at losing as much fat as possible in the shortest period of time... when im eating regularly for hypertrophy purposes id usually get about 400 protein a day, 500 carbs and 150 fat... in that breakdown my fat would make up about 25-30% of my energy intake while on my current 2000 calorie diet it makes up just over 58%... so we're both on the same page as far as how much of ur cals should come from fat, u suggested a quarter and id usually be 25-30% on a 5000cal diet

At my leanest I was eating a nine grain breakfast cereal with berries and skim milk followed by 6-8 meals of straight chicken and vegetables. If I recall correctly I was eating around 2kg of vegetables per day. I was doing 10 interval sessions per week. I was getting ripped fast. I've always found a high protein / high carb / low fat diet to produce the fastest results. I was seeing results daily. I was also on a lot of stimulants and winstrol however. One day on the weekend I'd have a heavy carb up day (pizza burgers etc) and my veins would be poping down my arms, abs, etc. I've mentioned this many times on the old board ... the key to getting ripped ... for me ... is eating kg's of vegetables on a daily basis.

ya all my carb intake is from veggies... i have veggies with each of my 4 meals and then 2 servings of greens+ per day... my veggie intake is made up mostly of spinach, onions, mushrooms, zucchini and tomatoes john berardi just wrote an article outlining his strategy to get as lean as possible in the shortest period of time... he went from 10.5% to 3.9% in 8 weeks!!! thats the dieting strategy im using rite now, in the last 2 weeks ive gone from 10.5% at 199 to 9.0% at 195 while just using lean+ and caffeine as my fat burners... gonna start ephedrine up this week though and use it for the next 3 ...if ur interested, heres the article: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1150209

how does buffalo taste?

how does buffalo taste? not as bad as manhattan, but better than syracuse.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1150209 Thats an interesting article. At my leanest I was following something very similar ... except I wasn't eating as much fat. See what I do is start off dieting eating a ton of calories from whole foods. I'll eat a lot whole grains, fresh vegetables, lean meats, and low fat dairy foods. As the weeks progress I virtually eliminate the dairy, I cut back on the whole grains, and I increase the lean meats and vegetables. I'll control my calories through olive oil. Near the end of a twelve week period I'm eating a low calorie, high protein, high carbohydrate, very low fat diet.

my progession has been very similar to yours... for the first 10 weeks of my diet i was eating 4000 cals a day with about 400 grams of carbs... as my progress slowed after the 10 week point, i started cutting out the carbs from non veggie and non fruit sourcses... started firstly by cutting out the carbs in my breakfast, then i cut my workout drink in half, then i eliminated the carbs from my second post workout meal, then i took them out totally except for during my workout... then i replaced the carbs during my workout with BCAAs and took out the fruits and just had veggies with each meal thats where i was about 3 weeks ago, with my protein still up where it was when i had begun my diet, at about 400 or so grams a day, my fat had been about 70 throughout the whole process and i was only manipulating my carbs but at this point i found i was incredibly hunger... so i cut my protein down to like 160g and upped my fat to 130 and thats about where i am now... increasing my fat intake made all the different though, im much more satious now even though im eating less food and my mood seems to be a lot better i just backed off the cals a bit more today, down to 1850 now and its RELATIVELY easy... lol notice the stress on relatively! of course its no cake walk, but its bearable atleast im under 9% bodyfat now at about 192 pounds, down from 24% at 233 and ive got 4 more weeks to go... hoping to break 7% and then get back to some heavy lifting and eating!

When I start to get around 6-8% eating 1800 calories thats the most difficult part for me. I'm no longer even maintaining strength. I get very irritable doing cardio. I just want to eat some pizza and be by myself 😀

i find im getting very used to the hunger, or lackthereof... my stomach size has shrunk down an amazing amount and even half a plate of food keeps me full for several hours if its higher in fat as far as strength and muscle mass goes, this is where i think the BCAAs and Creatine supplementation protocols are genius... its not mentioned in that article but JB and charles poliquin recently gave a seminar in chicago and JB talked about how a BCAA/Creatine combo has a positive effect on metabolism which i think he referred to as the "uncoupling effect"... he said 5 grams of BCAAs and 2.5g of creatine "trick" the body into believing their is an ingestion of calories and ur body responds by increasing its metabolic rate... the BCAAs are also anti catabolic and are shown to be the main source of amino acid fuel during intense exercise adding them in to my low carb diet as made an unbelievable difference in my strength and muscle mass preservation... this is essentially the crux of his dieting strategy and i think what makes his plan so unique without them i think id be wasting away, but as is, im doing very well strength-wise and muscle mass-wise... b4 i had actually done this myself, i woulda told u it was impossible to hold on to muscle mass at my weight with only 2000 cals a day or less, but i think i woulda been wrong... mind u this isnt a long term diet, but in the short term i cant speak highly enough of the progress ive made as far as fat loss goes and how productive my workouts have been in the gym since