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15/10/2018 4:16 am
What would be the perfect post-workout consumable/s, money no object? Why?
How would it be taken, eg shake, meal, injectable, transdermal, pill? Why?
How much could be consumed?
What have you found to be the most effective so far? Why?
So far-
Whey 35gs - shake - nitrogen retention, healing.
Maltodextrin 55gs - shake - insulin spike
CEE 5gs - shake- ATP replenishment, cellular rehydration
glutamine peps 10gs - shake - amonia reduction, cellular rehydration
r-ALA 100mgs - pill - anti O, insulin potentiator
Vit E 200mgs - pill - anti O
Vit C 1000mgs - pill - anti O, cologen, pain redution
Fish oil 1000mgs - pill - anti O, prostoglandin production, pain redution
Piracetam 1000mgs - pill - anti O, increase steroid availability at site,
CDP Choline 200mgs - pill - works with piracetam, nerve impulse
Idebenone 45mgs - pill - anti O
I havent used insulin or HGH so I cant really comment with any personal experience to back it up. I have heard of insulin being used post-workout with a creatine/glucose/amino acid IV.
I am presuming steroids, particularly oral steroids, are better used pre-workout.
What do you all think?
What would be your choise?
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15/10/2018 4:57 am
come on someone must have a ideal protocol
15/10/2018 5:49 am
whey with some carbs! probably an alpha lactalbumin enriched whey with fairly high glycemic carbs.
jb
15/10/2018 6:23 am
Why does EVERYONE say whey protein pwo? I can see having some whey pwo, but considering whey breaks down faster than the body can assimilate it, a blend containing some whey but other proteins should be optimal.
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15/10/2018 7:19 am
good question !!!
me personaly ""anything natural and stinking in protein""
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15/10/2018 8:01 am
whey with some carbs! probably an alpha lactalbumin enriched whey with fairly high glycemic carbs.jb
Hell yeah why try and complicate things. I think to many guys look at building muscles in the same context as rocket science. It's great to understand the science behind, but the bottom line is eat, train, rest and you're going to grow.
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15/10/2018 8:47 am
Well said bro....:-)
With that ......I use the KISS pricipal......pre-workout I take a 25gm protein shake (Whey) mixed just with water.....and post workout I take in the same shake mentioned above with a Banana....the banana is used to spike insulin back up in order to kick Cortisol back down leaving your body back into an anabolic state.......
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15/10/2018 9:19 am
Why does EVERYONE say whey protein pwo? I can see having some whey pwo, but considering whey breaks down faster than the body can assimilate it, a blend containing some whey but other proteins should be optimal.
Agreed. I like to drink some whey right after my workout, but i also eat some sort of meat with it. If your adding milk to it though then the protein will not be broken down so quikly.
15/10/2018 9:59 am
hello! we want some fast acting protein prior to and immediately after working out, that is the whole point. red meat is not an ideal choice for a cvariety of reasons not the least of which is the saturated fat content. If youa re concerned, take a blend of whey concentrate and ultrafiltered whey isolate for quick and slower availability. Remember as well that whey brings more to the table than just amino acids for restocking hte blood pool.
KISS, works for me.
jb
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15/10/2018 10:54 am
Hell yeah why try and complicate things. I think to many guys look at building muscles in the same context as rocket science. It's great to understand the science behind, but the bottom line is eat, train, rest and you're going to grow.
Not trying to complicate things per se just trying to find out the very best thing to do post work out by asking everyone for their input. If one asks the question maybe something else will come up, another product that increases recovery for eg. If the question wasnt asked pre-whey or pre-creatine use, then maybe those products would not be here or have taken longer to be realised. The quest continues!
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15/10/2018 11:26 am
hello! we want some fast acting protein prior to and immediately after working out, that is the whole point. red meat is not an ideal choice for a cvariety of reasons not the least of which is the saturated fat content. If youa re concerned, take a blend of whey concentrate and ultrafiltered whey isolate for quick and slower availability. Remember as well that whey brings more to the table than just amino acids for restocking hte blood pool.KISS, works for me.
jb
What would be he optimum balance of protein combination for breakdown, absorbtion?
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15/10/2018 12:35 pm
What about L-Leucine, does it cross tollerate with the other amino acids in whey? What about vinegar? What vinegar is best? Anti-O's (which ones?) Would lipid based anti-O's reduce insulin post work out?
What is the best, the very best post work out protocol?
We all know whey and carbs is works great. What else?
16/10/2018 8:42 am
Not trying to complicate things per se just trying to find out the very best thing to do post work out by asking everyone for their input. If one asks the question maybe something else will come up, another product that increases recovery for eg. If the question wasnt asked pre-whey or pre-creatine use, then maybe those products would not be here or have taken longer to be realised. The quest continues!
Sorry bro, I should have made clear that I wasn't directing my response at your question but in general terms. I don't believe that l-glutimine has much if any benefit, however I feel that bcaa's provide a huge boost especially when dieting.
I also use liberal amounts of Green tea extract fish oils and rALA. I take a wide variety of vitimins and minerals as well as cissus rx for joints. Also Co Q 10. These are my staples along with food and a good quality protein powder.
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16/10/2018 9:36 am
as we are on about post w..out.....there was this guy on tv last night and he was on about bodybuilders saying that we all take supps and yet they are not needed because if you look at our prison systems around the world (esp in america) most of the convicts are built like the hulk and they have to eat whatever they are given and only 3 times a day...he went on to say you dont need anything to bulk and shape yourself ..he said he has never eaten any special foods or taken any POST supps etc , and this guy was huge ..i mean what a beast of a guy ,,,,he was convinced you waste money and time taking any suppliments..
what a character........you could see just by looking at him he is on some serious eating or something (and he said he eats burgers ,,chips (or fries as you americans call them) bacon .everything !!!!!
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16/10/2018 10:20 am
as we are on about post w..out.....there was this guy on tv last night and he was on about bodybuilders saying that we all take supps and yet they are not needed because if you look at our prison systems around the world (esp in america) most of the convicts are built like the hulk and they have to eat whatever they are given and only 3 times a day...he went on to say you dont need anything to bulk and shape yourself ..he said he has never eaten any special foods or taken any POST supps etc , and this guy was huge ..i mean what a beast of a guy ,,,,he was convinced you waste money and time taking any suppliments..what a character........you could see just by looking at him he is on some serious eating or something (and he said he eats burgers ,,chips (or fries as you americans call them) bacon .everything !!!!!
This guy watched the longest yard a few two many times. I worked in corrections for a number of years the averege prisoner is anything but a Hulk...very few are really muscular. Also most prisons have supplements available for purchase at the prisoner store.
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