Is fasting before working out a good idea?

I know that I've gained muscle/strength on ckds in the past. So I absolutly agree that it's possible to gain muscle and shed fat at the same time. I know your not really talking ketosis but I think that might be the route I go. My abs have smoothed over a bit and I like to look good for the pool in the summer.

i have always like ckd. i think the whole lose fat gain muscle issue becomes very real when you see a post where the goal is to lose 20lbs of fat and gain 10lbs of muscle. if you are starting in a trained state, it is just not going to happen. smaller gradient shifts are possible particularly if you utilize the smart diet tuning we are talking about. shift the carbs to post workout for glycogen repletion, protein/bcaas prior and post for muscle synthesis and nitrogen turnover slowing.

eggs in moderation are OK but i can tell you from an anecdotal perspective too many are very very bad. at one point about three years ago i was into hard boiled eggs and was snacking on them 10 at a time! needless to say my ldl cholesterol skyrocketed. i now eat them in moderation if at all.

Right, I'm not talking gains/losses in that ratio. What I'm saying is you can shed quite a bit bf and still do a little better than just retaining the muscle that you already have.

Posted by: jboldman

i have always like ckd. i think the whole lose fat gain muscle issue becomes very real when you see a post where the goal is to lose 20lbs of fat and gain 10lbs of muscle. if you are starting in a trained state, it is just not going to happen. smaller gradient shifts are possible particularly if you utilize the smart diet tuning we are talking about. shift the carbs to post workout for glycogen repletion, protein/bcaas prior and post for muscle synthesis and nitrogen turnover slowing.

eggs in moderation are OK but i can tell you from an anecdotal perspective too many are very very bad. at one point about three years ago i was into hard boiled eggs and was snacking on them 10 at a time! needless to say my ldl cholesterol skyrocketed. i now eat them in moderation if at all.

I did the last two workouts in a "fasted" state. My lifts were up so it's not a bad way to train. Think I'll drink a whey and water drink pre wo and do some other adjustments. Still going to do a ckd eventually but I'll gain mass better waiting.

something else to consider is your cns is running higher and capable of performing much higher in a hungry state. this is not to say it doesnt require sugar. quite the contrary. be careful on ckd. true ckd while leaning out is possible is not optimum for solid training specifically training that you would reap the most benefits from ie super high intensity which is not the same as HIT. furthermore you may ultimately limit your bodies ability to produce elevated hormone levels (which honestly is the most important) let alone keep them at sufficient levels without sugar. this is why i suggest manipulating carbs and not restricting them. for the non assisted lifter ckd should be implemented with caution.

Right. I've already thought about the fact I'm not using exo hormones. So I'll make adjustments and see how it goes. If I can get back into single digit bf without keto...might not do it.

good points all.