Is fasting before working out a good idea?

Posted by: Bananaman

Arginine in the pre workout stack could only be a good thing

arginine...Nitric Oxide... probably about 10,00 hits on pubmed!

Best thing I've ever had for NO release is sodium nitrite, massive flush about 5 mins after ingesting, i think its from stomach acid conversion of nitrite

sorry. I can read just wasn't paying attention. I take the NO sups preworkout anyway. Might need to time them closer for the full benifit.

Posted by: jboldman

i would still take leucine pre workout as well as post. i would also skip the arginine and ornithine in favor of citrulline maleate or l citrulline pre-workout. i just came across another ++study on NOS and muscle building, will post up tonight.

I've been using arginine and ornithine because it's convenient but when I do a BAC order, I'll change.

Posted by: pillsbury

im not sure its the fasting more so than the lack of carbohydrates as the breakfast was carb rich
in theory you should be able to recreate an exceptional intracellular anabolic response daily by precisely timing carbs at peak times

So do you think a high protein, low carb meal prior to workout would be ok?

possibly. was looking at bigger pic though, specifically carb manipulation on lower kal and lower bf (lower than 8%)

yes

I have always wondered why my cardio kicked soo much more ass if I did it when I ate very little before training.

Right. I don't like having anything on my stomach when training anyway. Don't want to really be in a fasting state either. What I'd like to do is eat a high protein meal a couple hours before.

hmm, i think the saying goes that cardio in a fasted stated preferentially changes substrate metabolism to lipolysis. i do not think that consumming protein 2 hours prior would change this much.

That's what I was thinking after pillsbry's post about the meal in the study being "carb rich". I mean we always did lose fat by lowering carb intake or doing a ckd anyway.
So I'm think a meal like whole eggs alone may be perfect before a strength training/cardio workout.

solong as you are not concerned about the fat level or cholesterol level. eggs in moderation are ok but too many can be detrimental. i like bcaas and a scoop of protein powder before cardio.

jb

I think the cholesterol problem with eggs is at least overstated. most of it is broken down in the gut. Fat without caebs isn't a problem at all, the fat will burned for fuel. Will take BCAAs anyway before amd after. The only reason I don't want to use whey p is I'm going take it with carbs after.

Posted by: Seabiscuit Hogg

I think the cholesterol problem with eggs is at least overstated. most of it is broken down in the gut. Fat without caebs isn't a problem at all, the fat will burned for fuel. Will take BCAAs anyway before amd after. The only reason I don't want to use whey p is I'm going take it with carbs after.

im not sure fat will be burned if carbs are hi. if you have a surplus of carbs you body will be much more likely to use stored glycogen for energy opposed to fat. the idea of eating fats and proteins together without carbs is for most part to keep insulin low. so fasted state in this scenario would be near or complete glycogen depletion. you can achieve this still without going keto but must manipulate carbs and know exactly what you are taking in.

You're going to.make me eat cans of tuna aren't you?

Posted by: pillsbury

im not sure fat will be burned if carbs are hi. if you have a surplus of carbs you body will be much more likely to use stored glycogen for energy opposed to fat. the idea of eating fats and proteins together without carbs is for most part to keep insulin low. so fasted state in this scenario would be near or complete glycogen depletion. you can achieve this still without going keto but must manipulate carbs and know exactly what you are taking in.

If I deplete glycogen, I'm going to do a ckd. Would that be the best way to use the knowledge from the study? I'm talking about doing heavy lifting on the glycogen replenishing days. You could start carbs after the workout on the first day, eat carbs the rest of the day and start pushing them back after the carb/protein meal on the second day. My bf is out of the single digits anyway. Hopefully one could gain a little mass and loss fat.

Posted by: Seabiscuit Hogg

If I deplete glycogen, I'm going to do a ckd. Would that be the best way to use the knowledge from the study? I'm talking about doing heavy lifting on the glycogen replenishing days. You could start carbs after the workout on the first day, eat carbs the rest of the day and start pushing them back after the carb/protein meal on the second day. My bf is out of the single digits anyway. Hopefully one could gain a little mass and loss fat.

no tuna, that shit is sick. i eat between 2-3lb of bison/venison/chicken a day when shedding bf. i can maintain all strength and performance doing this eating as little as 100-250gm carb day, all of which are taken pre/post workout. i do eat loads of veg so yes there is some carbs there i dont account for. gaining muscle losing fat is really quite easy. i really hate the whole idea that it cant be done. silly nonsense. in my opinion if you can completely use all stored glycogen and end of training any large influx of carbs will great provide great benefits.