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(@benchpressmachine)
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New to this type of diet. Been on KTD for 2 weeks now. I stayed under 35 carbs every day for 2 weeks. Well Ive lost fat but tons of strength too. I really need my strength for Monday (chest day) and Tuesday (leg day), I can deal with the strength loss the rest of the week. So If I start bodyopus and carbing up on the weekend will I get my strength back up for at least Monday and Tuesday?


   
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ramblingman
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bump for you


   
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Just a Pilgrim
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Cycle your carbs. Do NOT stay on the same amount, especially an amount so low, for long periods. You are losing muscle along with fat and i don't know anyone who wants to do that. Maybe: Day 1: 250 grams of carbs. Day 2: 100 grams of carbs. Day 3: 35 grams of carbs. And repeat. It should work much better than it is now.


   
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Valkyl
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I dont believe in carb cycleing, I also dont believe in dropping my carbs that low..im unsure how ud do it really...there are small amounts of carbs in everything...ud blow over 35 g just drinking protien shakes....tuna only maybe? No slamming u bro, I know diet is about the most contravertial thing we discuss, its probaly the most personnal thing in BBIng. I doubt uve lost "tons" of fat bro...I guarentee u more then half is water, once you plummet your carbs that low. I dont understand how your strength has gone "way down"....u must be so calorie depleted right now your starving!!! On a good strict diet, u should have more energy, not less, as fat burning is much more energy productive...by far...u will lose "some strength" as water weight in the joints and glycogen in the muscle do play a role in strength. To get some real results, and not just banter like the responses u will get, post your exact diet, what u eat when, your stats, your goals, your routine including cardio and your "suppliments" and dosages. I think u are way off base myself. Let the flame war begin!


   
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Jay_Abbays
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Your strength is down - you depleted your glycogen Valkyl is right - you're not just losing fat - you're losing (mostly) water, fat and your muscle and driving your metabolism down.


   
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(@blind180)
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I agree you need to give us more info. Height, Weight, Bodyfat,, supps, goals ect... Valkyl, No flames bro, but I believe if you open your mind a bit & even try something new you may just be suprised by your results. Please don't take offense as I respect your infomative opinions on posts. I do believe in Carb Cycling but I think it has to be timed & done correctly to work properly. I used a balanced diet up until a point where I was not seeing any more results and I gave it an extra 3 months just to make sure and I still did not see any further progress. I figure when I get stagnant something must change and it usually boils down to the diet. I have used carb cycling type diet for 5 weeks and my body has responded well to it. I am in the best shape of my life, drug free at the moment and have not lost a single pound and I have been off for over 4 weeks. Acctually, I have gotten leaner and mangaged to keep the same weight. Since I have been off. I am about to begin Swolecat's SGX program nest week and it is basically a carbs cycling diet but low carb days are timed correctly and carb days are taken in proper amounts at the proper time. I am hoping to take things for me to the next level and I will keep everyone posted on how things go. Peace Blind180


   
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The Truth
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Originally posted by Just a Pilgrim Cycle your carbs. Do NOT stay on the same amount, especially an amount so low, for long periods. You are losing muscle along with fat and i don't know anyone who wants to do that. Maybe: Day 1: 250 grams of carbs. Day 2: 100 grams of carbs. Day 3: 35 grams of carbs. And repeat. It should work much better than it is now. I disagree with this as a general strategy. You can easily find yourself in a nutritional grey area in which you don't have enough carbs for full glycogen recovery, but you're not getting the benefits of being in ketosis. I think a CKD or TKD is a good idea, but you do know you're not really doing a TKD if you've been in ketosis for 2 weeks. The strength is temporary--if you do your weekend or post-workout carb replenishment your strength should come back. I also disagree with the statement above that you are losing muscle and significant amounts of water along with the fat--if done correctly (high fat intake is necessary) this is a very protein sparing diet.


   
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Data
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“Protein sparing” is a pet peeve of mine. It’s a term that is so misused that every diet is characterized as protein sparing. High carbohydrate diets spare protein because carbohydrates are used chiefly as a source of fuel. High fat diets are protein sparing for the same reason. High protein diets spare protein because you are eating so damn much of it anyways. Myself, I like carbohydrates and I don’t see the purpose behind “diets”. I prefer to find a lifestyle, a livable change that works for me. You cut the carbs, live in hell for two months, get lean, start resuming the eating habits that made you fat, and you repeat. No thanks.


   
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Data
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However I do find that zigzagging my calories (not carbohydrates) throughout the week works well. Not dramatic increases but steady climbs and drops. My experience has been that a ‘cheat day’ just hinders my progress, but several days at a higher caloric intake followed by a drop and a slow climb works well and is tolerable.


   
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The Truth
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Originally posted by Data “Protein sparing” is a pet peeve of mine. It’s a term that is so misused that every diet is characterized as protein sparing. High carbohydrate diets spare protein because carbohydrates are used chiefly as a source of fuel. High fat diets are protein sparing for the same reason. High protein diets spare protein because you are eating so damn much of it anyways. Myself, I like carbohydrates and I don’t see the purpose behind “diets”. I prefer to find a lifestyle, a livable change that works for me. You cut the carbs, live in hell for two months, get lean, start resuming the eating habits that made you fat, and you repeat. No thanks. Yeah, I should have been more specific. A keto diet, when followed properly, will allow you to lose fat and keep muscle more eassily IMO than many other fat loss diets. If your diet is skewed too much in favor of protein, you go into gluconeogenesis and, while you probably won't lose a lot of muscle due to this, it becomes pretty inefficient, not to mention needlessly expensive. I personally feel good on keto diets.


   
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Valkyl
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Originally posted by Data “Protein sparing” is a pet peeve of mine. It’s a term that is so misused that every diet is characterized as protein sparing. High carbohydrate diets spare protein because carbohydrates are used chiefly as a source of fuel. High fat diets are protein sparing for the same reason. High protein diets spare protein because you are eating so damn much of it anyways. O shit, Data found the diet thread!!:biglaugh: :biglaugh: The correct term is "muscle sparing"... And I like eating chicken all day, everyday...for monthes on end...


   
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