Feeling rundown...no energy...

Any chance you are overtrained / underrested?

Getting 8-9 hours of sleep a day...

not overtraining either...

food is good...

Well, I'm 37 and I don't have the energy I had in my 20s. I don't train without ephedrine/caffeine.

Are you doing low carbs?

sounds like overtraining to me. take a week off, increase your calories by 25%, and sleep in every day. Oops, that is what i am going to do, i am off to yosemite for a week to recharge. Looking forward to climbing halfdome.

speaking of that, when was the last time you had a few days off?

jb

Last time I had a few days off...was in May.

I travel a lot..

Carbs have been down to lose weight (bread).

Calories are probably 3000 a day.

Weight is at 260.

Next time I have a few days off is probably the last week of October.

-Pills..
No offense but have you not heard over use repetition injuries. Basically it is working the same part of your body until breakdown. As for the laborers "back in the day" also did not have a very long life expectancy...JMHO.
Peace

all these aspects of overtraining that are being brought up are due to stress of ligaments/joints/tendons etc... and that is something i agree with 100%.. a one rep mKP for example will place tremendous load on joints, far more than the actual muscle, this was my point in saying that a one rep mKP has no benefit... the reason for my thinking is from my experience and knowledge of how the CNS, brain and muscluar system can work together... yes i have heard of repetition injuries, i have had many, but they only come from overuse and excess strain of skeletal tissue, usually from heavier weight. the problem is, for the vast majority, and i mean extreme majority, the muscle is so much stronger than its ancillaries and its attachments... i think people often overlook workload, distance and time when training for size and strength... i would argue that repititions with correct weight will increase size and strength, not only of the muscle but of surrounding connective tissue...
as for the health aspect i would argue 2 points: 1) majority of said people i mentioned had/have very low income level resulting in poorer living conditions and lack of medical treatment, not to mention work in hazardous environments. 2) the way people abuse AAS's, PED's and other goods i would say they have little interest in a long or complication free life expectancy

yes i understand where people are coming from and what they are talking about when they speak of overtraining, i just wanted to give reason for my statement

like anything else, there is no simple answer and a generalism is hard to fit. The literature is full of case histories of elite athletes along with others that suffer from an overtraining syndrom that does not necessarily emerge as joint or ligament injuries. certainly there are plenty of overuse injuries and overtraining injuries resulting from joint and ligament overload but there are an equal number of cases that manifest themselvs as a reduction in performance, sleep issues, lowered immune responses, etc..

jb

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Mil Med. 2006 Nov;171(11):1059-64. Links
Australian army recruits in training display symptoms of overtraining
"Evidence for overtraining symptoms of fatigue, sleep disturbance, immune suppression, reduced iron status, high rates of minor injuries, and hormonal changes was found"

Sports Med. 2006;36(10):817-28. Links
Psychomotor speed: possibly a new marker for overtraining syndrome
"Overtraining syndrome (OTS) is a major threat for performance and health in athletes. OTS is caused by high levels of (sport-specific) stress in combination with too little regeneration, which causes performance decrements, fatigue and possibly other symptoms"

Arq Bras Endocrinol Metabol. 2005 Jun;49(3):359-68. Epub 2006 Mar 16. Links
[Neuroendocrine and nutritional aspects of overtraining][Article in Portuguese]
Rogero MM, Mendes RR, Tirapegui J.
Departamento de Alimentos e Nutricao Experimental, Faculdade de Ciencias Farmaceuticas, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, SP.

The overtraining syndrome is characterized by an excessive training that results in several adverse effects the main of which being the decay in performance. Its incidence among elite athletes has been experiencing a significant increase lately, which prompted a rush of interest in the search for efficient measures to prevent and treat this condition. It is necessary, however, to clarify possible mechanisms involved in the development of overtraining. Several hypothesis are being proposed, such as a greater activation of both the autonomic nervous system and the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, and suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. On the contrary, some studies suggest that the modulation of such systems is but a consequence of the overtraining syndrome and not its cause. Thus, recent hypothesis related to cytokine release, to central fatigue, to depletion of muscle and liver glycogen, and to a reduction in glutamine availability during physical activity are being raised.

Pills,
To sum it all up, i dont want to look like a overworked railroad worker or some union laborer from the bronx. I can see what you are saying but it in no way has anything to do with perfecting your physique through proper strength training. Go ahead though if you want, let me know how it works out for you.
HD

Posted by: HugeDeep

Pills,
To sum it all up, i dont want to look like a overworked railroad worker or some union laborer from the bronx. I can see what you are saying but it in no way has anything to do with perfecting your physique through proper strength training. Go ahead though if you want, let me know how it works out for you.
HD

Same here Pills. And I would be happy to see how your workout looks like, thanks.

Posted by: jboldman

like anything else, there is no simple answer and a generalism is hard to fit. The literature is full of case histories of elite athletes along with others that suffer from an overtraining syndrom that does not necessarily emerge as joint or ligament injuries. certainly there are plenty of overuse injuries and overtraining injuries resulting from joint and ligament overload but there are an equal number of cases that manifest themselvs as a reduction in performance, sleep issues, lowered immune responses, etc..

jb

============
Mil Med. 2006 Nov;171(11):1059-64. Links
Australian army recruits in training display symptoms of overtraining
"Evidence for overtraining symptoms of fatigue, sleep disturbance, immune suppression, reduced iron status, high rates of minor injuries, and hormonal changes was found"

Sports Med. 2006;36(10):817-28. Links
Psychomotor speed: possibly a new marker for overtraining syndrome
"Overtraining syndrome (OTS) is a major threat for performance and health in athletes. OTS is caused by high levels of (sport-specific) stress in combination with too little regeneration, which causes performance decrements, fatigue and possibly other symptoms"

Arq Bras Endocrinol Metabol. 2005 Jun;49(3):359-68. Epub 2006 Mar 16. Links
[Neuroendocrine and nutritional aspects of overtraining][Article in Portuguese]
Rogero MM, Mendes RR, Tirapegui J.
Departamento de Alimentos e Nutricao Experimental, Faculdade de Ciencias Farmaceuticas, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, SP.

The overtraining syndrome is characterized by an excessive training that results in several adverse effects the main of which being the decay in performance. Its incidence among elite athletes has been experiencing a significant increase lately, which prompted a rush of interest in the search for efficient measures to prevent and treat this condition. It is necessary, however, to clarify possible mechanisms involved in the development of overtraining. Several hypothesis are being proposed, such as a greater activation of both the autonomic nervous system and the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, and suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. On the contrary, some studies suggest that the modulation of such systems is but a consequence of the overtraining syndrome and not its cause. Thus, recent hypothesis related to cytokine release, to central fatigue, to depletion of muscle and liver glycogen, and to a reduction in glutamine availability during physical activity are being raised.

Nice read.

I think my issue with low energy is due to thyroid issues...just the entire slope of symptoms seem to hit me at times...any recommendations of what kind of thyroid use to do in order to jumpstart and make the thyroid work a bit better?