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06/07/2018 5:55 pm
As some of you know I have posted on "short cycles" in the past on several boards. Here's a rundown and an update.
WHAT ARE THEY?
I call any cycles of 2-6 weeks a short cycle. I have come to the conclusion that 4 weeker give the best gains to sides ratio....and still allow for rapid hpta recovery, even without using HCG during the cycle, since testicular atrophy is minimal.
FOR WHOM and why?
-For the paranoid newbie
-For the person wanting only modest gains from steroids
-For the athlete
-For those that just want to get to there natural maximum weight/developement fairly quickly
*FOR THE LONG TERM USER WANTING TO REDUCE POSSIBLE HEALTH RISKS
* FOR THE LONG TERM USER WISHING TO EVENTUALLY STOP STEROID USE
*FOR THE OLDER ATHLETE
WHY DO THEM(con'd)?
#1. To reduce time with a shitty lipid profile.
Many bros get tired of all the F-ing sides form long cycles. I especially got tired of having a crappy lipid profile for months on end with a hdl of next to ZERO(and yes you ALL get this UNSEEN side and nothing really helps, including the #1 hdl modifier, Niacin)
#2. Generally reduced sides all round
Many don't get bad acne until after 4 weeks "on"
Many loose less hair
My prostate stays okay while on a short cycles with testosterone
#3. Short cycles are better than training natural(gains wise)....you WILL see gains way faster than you could attain to naturally, especially if you are not near your natural maximum level of developement ie: about 190-195 lean pounds for the average man of 5-9-10" tall.
#4. Short cycles are a quick way to actually get somewhat above your natural max weight ...then after the cycles you can hold at your natural max with proper natural training. I for one am convinced that nobody can actually hold onto any muscle size above your natural max long term.
#5. Gains will be more gradual and less noticable and that is actually a positive thing for some people.
#6. Water retention will be less than on a regular cycle
WHAT TO EXPECT
Good gains for the duration "on".
Actual poundage gained will depend on how developed you are now. If you are not well developed yet then the gains will be very good. I have seen 8 pounds kept from a two week cycle.
Well developed men that have been lifting for years should expect more modest gains although several pounds of solid muscle can be gained in as little as two weeks and that would take a year to gain training naturally for many advanced men.
Good and rapid recovery of HPTA especially after two weekers
WHAT THEY WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH
They will not get you WAY above your natural maximum weight/developement even if done for years.
They will not get you really big gains in a single cycle like 12 weekers can.
They will not get you "noticed" in a short time...may be a positive for some men.
HOW?
The very short cycles of 2-3 weeks should be done ONLY with short acting/clearing injectables, and orals. You want to get hormone levels up right away and then you want them to clear soon after stopping. Long acting esters prolong a cycle due to long half lives.
Front loading of injectables is a very good idea...to get hormone levels up fast.
Doses should be fairly big and strong gear needs to be used for the best results, although you can use what you wish to here.
I recommend larger doses for short cycles than for long cycles.
EXAMPLES
Two weeker #1.
D-bol 50mg a day in 3-5 divided doses and for 14 days.
Tren 150mg on day one and then 75mg/day for 12- 13 days.
clomid at 200-300mg in divided doses on day 15 and then 50-100/day for a week and then 50 a day for two more weeks.
OR....Nolva at 80-100mg on day one in divided doses and then 20-40mg/day for a week and then 20/day for two more weeks.
HCG every 3rd day at 500units while "on" . HCG is optional on this cycle as time "on" is short and little if any testicular shrikage will occur.
nolva on hand for gyno
Two weeker #2
Test Prop at 300mg on day one and then 100-150mg per day through day 12. Tren 150 on day one and then 75 a day through day 12. Clomid or nolva as above starting day 15.
Estrogen inhibitor is optional as is HCG
Nolva on hand for gyno
Two weeker #3 (advanced)
Test prop, Tren As above PLUS d-bol 50mg/day through day 14.
Nolva on hand for gyno
May want an estrogen inhibitor with d-bol and test prop
THREE AND FOUR WEEKERS
Use the same hormones and doses as above...just extend the time "on" .
HCG use might be a good idea for 4 weekers but not that important unless you start doing many 4 "on" 4 "off" cycles in a row as testicular atrophy might become an issue with this schedule.
LONG ESTERED INJECTABLES FOUR WEEKERS(advanced)
I still think rapid acting /clearing gear is best for a 4 weeker. You want to get in as quick as possible the make your gains and get the hell out as quick as possible.
Front loading is more important with longer acting estered injectables.
Test cyp or enanthate 800mg on day one ...no more than 2-3 cc in any one site.
EQ at 800mg on day one as above.
Then 400mg each on day 3 and every 3rd day after that. Last shot about day 15.
Tren 75/day through day 27
d-bol 50/day in 3-5 divided doses through day 28
Will probably like an estrogen inhibitor
HCG 500 iu's every 3rd day while "on"
Clomid or nolva as above starting on day 29.
NEWBIE FIRST STEP CYCLE(you can try any of the non advanced cycles above too)
D-bol 50mg/day in 3-5 divided doses for 14 days. Clomid or Nolva as above
OR
Test prop 100mg/day for 2-3 weeks and then clomid 2 days after last shot.
OR
Test cyp or enanthate 500mg on day one and then 250 three days latter and 250 every 3 days after that . Last shot day 21 Clomid or nolva two weeks latter as above.
GENERAL TIPS
Always practise time "on" = time "off" with your steroid use, at least.
You can get very good gains from several 2 "on" 2 "off" cycles in a row. If you do more than 3 of these cycles in a row then I would recommend HCG use during the time "on"
Two "on" with four weeks off can be done all year round as you are "on" only for a third of the year.
Four weeks "on" with 5-6 weeks off is a nice way to go and produces very good gains.
* Check out my comments in follow up posts on this thread in regard to training frequency while on these short cycles.
HEALTH TIPS
I have had very good success normalizing my lipid profile with 2 grams of non flush naicin/day in divided doses while "off" and I recommend this for rapid normalization of your hdl post cycle.
I have done up to 5 grams of non flush nicain while "on" and it has done NOTHING...nor has it helped my brother-in-law or training partner while "on" steroids.
*Regular niacin will give you big time ichy flushing spells after taking the tabs....AND IT CAN BE HARD ON THE LIVER if doses about 1.5 grams are taken.
I recommend a good mega multi Vit and extra anti oxidants like E, C, Selenium, carotenes, as well as essential fats like odu's oil(omega 3&6 combo oil) all the time, and especailly while "on".
NOTE: The healthy liver will not be damaged by 50mg of d-bol a day for up to 4 weeks unless you drink alcohol more than moderately.
If you are on acutane for acne then scip any 17aa roids like d-bol.
TO THE SCEPTICS...I say try them
**To you guys that stay"on" for most of the year I say that I don't think you are being very wise unless you plan on making a living as a bodybuilder....sorry if I have stepped on a few toes.
To everyone that does not follow themselves carefully with blood work, and understand the blood work results very well while on gear I say...get a doctor to follow you ... and we have one called SWALE on this board.
Happy training.
RG
06/07/2018 6:42 pm
My goal is to gain strength without gaining weight. That by the way, haven�t been going to good so far, I have real easy to gain weight.
What would you say about a cycle with test prop 100mg EOD for 3 weeks?
With low dose of hgc every 3-5 days.
I plan to go to the doctor for some accutane so he checks my health.
I haven�t done a cycle in 6 years.
Actually, I plan to try short cycles with masteron and tren to.
First one substance per cycle then maybe try stacking them.
Not sure about the doses on tren and masteron.
Topic starter
06/07/2018 7:34 pm
My goal is to gain strength without gaining weight. That by the way, haven�t been going to good so far, I have real easy to gain weight.What would you say about a cycle with test prop 100mg EOD for 3 weeks?
With low dose of hgc every 3-5 days.
I plan to go to the doctor for some accutane so he checks my health.
I haven�t done a cycle in 6 years.
That would be fine but the prop will give you some muscle weight gain(and water too while "on") BTW
Why don't you try something like anavar 50-100mg/day in divided doses for 2-4 weeks at a time or tren at 75mg/day for 2-4 weeks....or tren and Var together.
I once did 75 of tren a day and 100 of var a day for 4 weeks and it was a very good cycle with really good strength gains!
You could also try winstrol or winny plus Var.
You could also try EQ for say three weeks at a time( doesn't aromatize much in humans).
OR any combo of non aromatizing gear.
I would do a little testosterone while on these non armoatizing roids to keep estrogen levels in the normal range,,,for health reasons(100mg of prop a week) OR do some HCG to help with estrogen... at 500iu's every 3rd day.
If minimal weight/ muscle gain is desired but with good stength increases then avoid the aromatizing gear like test and d-bol. Also avoid Anadrol.
RG
06/07/2018 8:31 pm
Thanks!
I think I edited my post while you were answering.
Was thinking about var, but it's so damn expensive.
75mg/day of tren, isn't that a quite high dose compared to 50mg/test day?
Topic starter
06/07/2018 9:18 pm
Thanks!
I think I edited my post while you were answering.
Was thinking about var, but it's so damn expensive.
75mg/day of tren, isn't that a quite high dose compared to 50mg/test day?
YES but it is "oh so good" at this dose...and remember.....the sides and possible health issues will be very minimal on a short cycle.
Tren is the best strength roid currently available...and it's cheap if you make your own.
I have done 75 of tren alone a day, and 500iu's of HCG every 3rd day (HCG for testes shrikage prevention but also for estrogen production) for 4 weeks with nice results too.
RG
06/07/2018 9:54 pm
Maybe a stupid question, but how low dose wouldn't be a waste of time and money with tren or masteron on a 3 weeker?
Topic starter
06/07/2018 10:26 pm
Maybe a stupid question, but how low dose wouldn't be a waste of time and money with tren or masteron on a 3 weeker?
I wouldn't do less than 50mg a day. You have a limited time to see results with short cycles so you have to do a decent dose.
RG
06/07/2018 11:01 pm
I would like to give a 3 or 4 weeker a try, but it seems a little wierd when you only work 1 body part a week.
Realgains, whats your training frequency on a 3 weeker?
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Topic starter
06/07/2018 11:40 pm
I would like to give a 3 or 4 weeker a try, but it seems a little wierd when you only work 1 body part a week.Realgains, whats your training frequency on a 3 weeker?
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Good question that I forgot to address....
I believe in having a lot of time out of the gym and short heavy strict high intensity workouts. This I do for recovery reasons.
While on steroids one can train more frequently and sometimes with a little more volume( high volume will not work for most typical men even with roids)
I usually increase frequency to the following......MON- WED and FRI on a two way split.
I do legs, low back and abbs one day and then upper body the next. I do low volume and high intensity . Thats working each muscle group once every 4th day and then once every 5th day. When doing this workout frequency I train the deadlift and squat hard only once a week.
This split was a favorite of the legendary Dorian Yates up through his early pro days ....after that he switched to training each body part less frequently as he was getting too big and strong to train each body part with this frequency.
He recommends this split for almost all recreational lifters.
I have also done well on a three way split working out every other day.....thats hitting each muscle group once every 6th day.
After the cycle I train on a two way split doing one on, two off...that works every mucsle group once every 6th day....OR I do a three way split MON-WED and FRI and that hits each group once every 7th day.
RG
Last edited by Realgains on 01-17-2004 at 10:19 PM
07/07/2018 12:36 am
RG, how do you feel about tapering the D-bol down in the 4th week alone to let the short acting esters and oils to clear better?
say from the 50mg to around 20mg or so?
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