Cycle Help

Posted by: jboldman

guess we got that log on problem fixed! Taking anabolics is a big step for anyone particularly a women. you need to make surethat you are prepared for some of the changes, some permanent that can accompany taking anabolics. If you were a guy, we would suggest getting another 6-18 months fo good solid training under your belt before taking the leap. Take this time to study in detail what the anabolic options are and the consequences. what do you think?

jb

I have been training for quite a while already. I just really buckled down and got extremely serious, like I said about 8 or 9 months ago. And as far as the other side effects go I have researched them as well and I was just saying that the one I am most concerned with was the masculine change to my voice.

So with that here is where I am at. I feel like I am ready to take the step. However, I am in no way the type of person to rush into something of this magnitude. So if you still feel I should wait to move on by all means I will wait. BUT... I would have to ask why. Is it to gain knowledge, for health reasons... let me know what you think.

Thank you
Gino's_SheHulk

Posted by: ready2explode

First, I'll start out by saying welcome to the board and kudos to you for actually wanting to learn about the benefits and risks of AAS use. Believe it or not, not many really do. They are just looking for a quick fix.

I don't know how new you are to the forums or to AAS, so I'll clarify one thing. The person that recommend "var" was referring to oxandrolone which is marketed under the brand name Anavar. This may help with your search.

I, too, recommend var for a first cycle. The reason being so is that it tends to be the least androgenic of all steroids. Saying something is androgenic means that it signals the development of the secondary male characteristics, ie deepening of the voice, increased hair growth, etc. In women, these symptoms are referred to as virilization symptoms and include all listed above along with clitoral enlargement and acne.

Side effects for women tend to be more cosmetic than they are actually dangerous to one's health. With that being said, virilization in women is most certainly not something to toy to take lightly, either. Some side effects that are more dangerous, or possible, are increased blood pressure and hepatoxicity (liver damage). At doses low enough that virilization symptoms are not a problem, serious health concerns are not usually a problem either. Thus, if you keep your doses and cycles mild, you may not see any side effect except increased strength and muscle mass.

That should start you off...

You really have no idea how much this helped me. I found a "Sticky" of Abbreviations and that helped some, but you really helped out a lot thank you.

Gino's_SheHulk.

R2E i stated that in the next post when she asked. Did you get that memo? LOL just messin with you!
HD

Posted by: HugeDeep

R2E i stated that in the next post when she asked. Did you get that memo? LOL just messin with you!
HD

LOL caught me. Sometimes I don't read all the replies before replying. I felt like helping a bit, so I wanted to get it out before the feeling passed.

Posted by: Gino's_SheHulk

You really have no idea how much this helped me. I found a "Sticky" of Abbreviations and that helped some, but you really helped out a lot thank you.

Gino's_SheHulk.

I'm glad. As for whether or not you should wait, I do believe you should. The reason being is simply because of the knowledge. The greater knowledge you have of the compounds you're going to ingest, the less side effects you will run into. Just hang out on the boards for a while. The experience will pay off. I say this out of firsthand experience. I research AAS for 6mos before starting my first cycle, and I still wish I had waited some more.

In the mean time, we can help with your diet and training. You mentioned that you've been taking in liquid meals. Why don't you post up your diet for us to critique?

this sounds like very good advice.

jb

No prob R2E, i know you and it is all for the betterment of this site. Lets keep it up and take over the world, well maybe start small first.
HD

Posted by: ready2explode

I'm glad. As for whether or not you should wait, I do believe you should. The reason being is simply because of the knowledge. The greater knowledge you have of the compounds you're going to ingest, the less side effects you will run into. Just hang out on the boards for a while. The experience will pay off. I say this out of firsthand experience. I research AAS for 6mos before starting my first cycle, and I still wish I had waited some more.

In the mean time, we can help with your diet and training. You mentioned that you've been taking in liquid meals. Why don't you post up your diet for us to critique?

First off thanks for the advice. I think I will wait since it happens to be the popular opinion. And I'd much rather error on the side of caution than start something I'd possibly regret.

Diet for right now is nothing but shakes during the day. I was planning to do nothing but shakes all day every day for about 1 or 2 wks just to trim down, but my husband convinced me otherwise. I basically have 1 meal a day and I am going to the gym 3 days a week (I would like to go more but my husband say that 3 days is enough).

what is your caloric goal? how much cardio do you do?

jb

OK with all due respect here. First off you are not ready to even think about touching anabolics. I'm not going to sugar coat it because it's something I feel strongly about. You don't even know what anavar is, one of the most widely used female anabolics. I studied long and hard for YEARS before I ever took the plunge. I knew more about anabolics (both male AND female) then most guys who'd been juicing in the gym for years.

It is particularly important for women as you can do irreversible damage to your body. Ask yourself am I prepared for these risks:

The inhibition of natural hormones is probably the most common and probable side effect experienced from the use of anabolic steroids. In almost all cases, adding a hormone into your body will send a message to your endocrine system to stop producing it. This is because your body wants to remain in a very balanced state -- called "homeostasis," if I remember my high school biology class correctly. To maintain homeostasis, the body wants to avoid having too much of any particular hormone. To achieve this, the body sends a message to slow down, or even stop producing. Unfortunately, this happens when any kind of hormone is added into the body, so even if an athlete is not using testosterone, but is using other anabolic steroids, the body will still send this signal 99% of the time. Of course different steroids cause varying degrees of inhibition ranging from total shut down of endogenous (natural) Testosterone production, to very mild inhibition, where some natural hormones are still being produced and circulating. In almost all cases, this inhibition is over once the steroids aren´t active in the body anymore.

Smart men use pct (or post cycle therapy) to keep their normal production up and recover. Women don't have this option. Ramping up and ramping down are the best way to introduce the drugs slowly as well as help the body recover.

Ask yourself as you ready for the following:

Facial hair growth, Deepened voice, Breast reduction, Clitoral Enlargement, Heightened Sex Drive, Menstrual cycle changes, Acne, Possible Sterility, Immune Issues, Bloating and Water Retention (from 5-15 lbs), Weakened Tendons, Joint Issues, Nausea, Headache, Visual Disturbances, Blood Pressure issues, Behavioral Side Effects, Hyperpigmentation of the skin due to hormonal changes, Possible Adrenal Issues, Skin Changes, Hair Thinning or Hair Loss, Hormonal Rebound and Dependence?

If it sounds like I am swaying you away from it...I am. Many people will tell you "oh take anavar it is so mild, you will be fine". To that I say BULLSHIT! Yes it IS THE most mild of the anabolics. It was designed FOR women and children. But I will also tell you this. I started very low at 5mgs my first cycle and went to 10mgs. And guess what? I had sides. Will it give you some strength gains? Sure! Will it help you lean out? Only if your diet is dead on. Will it help you pack on lots of muscle? Nope not really. It will harden you up but don't expect a big mass gain. It's not that kind of drug.

While I love my guys to death (you know I do guys) they don't know what it is like to be in a woman's body and the effect that these drugs REALLY have. Female anabolics are still a very private topic and I have watched women be tight lipped about it for years. Many lie about doses, lie about sides, lie about what they are taking. I have been and always will stand for truth. I would never want to see someone hurt themselves because of ignorance. I am VERY responsible with my use. I believe there are certain compounds that are just off limits for women. I believe in the lowest dose you can use to get results. I believe in ramping up and down. Despite that I can tell you I have experienced each and every side effect I listed here. If you were to meet me you'd never know I have taken anything. IMO that's how it should be. But I will also tell you I knew EXACTLY what I was doing and what to expect.

AAS is not something to be taken lightly. A woman's hormonal makeup is fragile and can be easily damaged while men seem to rebound without much issue.

You say that you are genetically predisposed to be strong then capitalize on that!!! See what you can do naturally. Push yourself to the limit! You're drinking ONLY shakes? There is no way you are meeting your body's needs with just shakes. You should be eating WHOLE foods for at least 3 meals a day and SUPPLEMENTING with shakes. You should be eating 6 meals a day. If you are trying to gain muscle you should be eating 1.5 grams of body weight per day. You need to concentrate on getting your diet to where it needs to be or you won't get anything from anabolics but sides. DIET IS EVERYTHING. While training is certainly a large part if your diet is bad your throwing your hard work down the toilet.

Are you really giving it everything you have or are you simply looking for an edge? If and when you push yourself to a plateau and feel that you can no longer progress, you are aware of the sides and STILL want to do AAS....then study your butt off, ask questions (like you are, but know who is giving the info) and then consider your options.

I have quite a few girlfriends who are naturally strong and muscled. I am in awe of these girls and they are aas free. They are gifted with amazing genetics. I do not and never will have the genetics to be that way. If I could naturally have that aas would never be a consideration.

P.S.-stats generally mean age, height, weight, bf if you know it

also good to add..how long training, supplements you are taking, present training regimen

First off Bellina thank you for your input. I appreciated it. Your candor was slightly unnerving but still appreciated.

I would like it to be understood that I too felt as if I were not ready and had already decided to wait. I had stated earlier that I was particularly concerned with my voice changing. It was not my intention to give the impression that I knew nothing of the other side effects because that was not the case. I have been doing my own research for a while now. However it was not until recently I decided to enquire as to what I might take.

So with that, I may be a little shaky with the lingo however I am in no way naďve to the way of life or the potential consequences that accompany it.

Also, do you disagree with my current diet all together ( b/c I only planned on doing shakes for a week or two) or were you saying that I should attempt to lose the fat by increasing my meals. ie Meal1 – Shake – Meal 2 – Shake – Meal 3 – Shake. Let me know.

Thank You Bellina

Gino’s_SheHulk

Posted by: Gino's_SheHulk

First off Bellina thank you for your input. I appreciated it. Your candor was slightly unnerving but still appreciated.

I would like it to be understood that I too felt as if I were not ready and had already decided to wait. I had stated earlier that I was particularly concerned with my voice changing. It was not my intention to give the impression that I knew nothing of the other side effects because that was not the case. I have been doing my own research for a while now. However it was not until recently I decided to enquire as to what I might take.

So with that, I may be a little shaky with the lingo however I am in no way na�ve to the way of life or the potential consequences that accompany it.

Also, do you disagree with my current diet all together ( b/c I only planned on doing shakes for a week or two) or were you saying that I should attempt to lose the fat by increasing my meals. ie Meal1 ďż˝ Shake ďż˝ Meal 2 ďż˝ Shake ďż˝ Meal 3 ďż˝ Shake. Let me know.

Thank You Bellina

Gino�s_SheHulk

I definitely think 3 shakes max. Maybe one in the morning, one after workout and one before bed. Everything else should be a whole food meal. As for voice changes,winny is by far the most damaging to the voice ime.

i feel i have to add in here for GSH's information, Bell has been around forever and knows what she is talking about both from a recreational bb'ing point of view as well as a competing point of view. Bell is known for brooking no bullshit but she is one of the nicest people i know and and i am priviledged to count her among my friends. I would say i love her dearly but no sense getting her equally nice hubby Big Willy stirred up!

jb

Damnit, i knew Bel was going to stomp on the guys. Oh well, if there is one to keep us all in check it is her. Thanks Bel. Good info for her as well. Hope you are doing well.
HD