Cycle Advice for 2019

how many cycles have3 you done?

jb

u seem to start pct one week afgter last test shot...why?

i geuss u should start nolva pct at about week 15? and keep it going for at least 4 weeks, mebbe 6 rather?

I JB have done about 6 cycles, last cycle 600mg test e for 12 weeks. Previous 400mg Deca & 600mg Test E. Zircon the reaon I only start with my pct from week 13 is because that is roughly when the test will start clearing. I can always run the pct a week or 2 longer.

why all the front loading with the test & deca? seems unnecessary to me especially at the doses you plan to run

Two quick observations:

1. Like Zircon, I think that the timing of PCT is off. Yes, you can fix the problem by just extending the duration of PCT by a few extra weeks, but it seems an inferior solution to simply extending the cycle two-three more weeks with either prop or orals while the cyp clears to sub-physiological levels.

2. When I frontload with cyp or deca (which I think is a very good idea,) I use double doses the first week. 1000mg cyp is not much of a frontload, when your ongoing dose is 800mg/week.

You stop test cyp on week 12 and start pct week 13. You should start pct about 3 weeks after last shot of cyp. Best is to add in 100mg prop eod from week 13 up till pct...some ppl like it, other don't. But running pct that early will really not help much at all. Rather ;put it 2 weeks later.

Hi Bear, I just think 1600mg is a bit much on the Test or am I wrong? Zircon the Test Cyp clears round about 10days that is why I start the pct from week 13. Why do u suggest starting from week 15 wouldn't your estrogen levels be very high and climbing from week 13? Thanx

WTBB, 1600 is not too much, considering that your ongoing dose is 800. All it will do is to attain equilibruim concentration of Test in your system that much earlier in the cycle.

As for E at the end, if you do PCT Zircon's way, it will be no higher than previously in the cycle (even at twice his recommended 100 mg eod prop, which I think would be more in keeping with your previous TC dose.) The idea is to be completely "on" until you are ready to come "off" and restart HPTA, and then to do so abruptly. It saves you the time and wasted effort of being in the middleground, Limbo as it were, of having lowish-and-falling Test levels, but still too high for natural production to resume. Some guys use prop for this (and then ~10 days is about right for clearance,) others use orals (essentially no wait; "on" today, PCT tomorrow) or a combination of the two.

GL.

Thanx for all the help. I will try zircon way. How does the rest of the cycle look. Is the tren dose ok, have not used tren before due to high cost here. Any other sugestions to tweak it.

o ya...with that test you'd go with at least 150mg eod prop. more if you wish.

Are u uasing tri tren or tren a? FOr short duration as that I'd suggest tren a.

otherwise looks fine.

if your nuts not perfectly back by last 3 weeks of cycle mebbe run 1000iu HCG eod...btu should be fine I think.

Looks good! let us know how it goes.

Thanx. 50mg tren a & 50mg tren e mix.

I'm not sure how you should deal with that over a 4 week period. THe tren e won't be too effective over 4 weeks. Ideal would be tren a, but it should be ok.