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Vic
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Hi guys,

Im putting together my next cycle, my stats:

Age:26
Height:5'11
Weight: 210
Previous cycle: 600mg test c(11weeks) + 400mg Equipoise(10weeks) + 150mg winni(last 4 weeks)

I tore a tendon in my right shoulder 4 months ago so i have been getting back slowly, weight is down from 220 to 210. Been training for 3 weeks now, starting my cycle with the next 4 weeks.

NEW CYCLE:

Week 1-3: 100mg Test Prop EOD
150mg NNP EOD

Week1-10: 750mg Test E
300mg Tren E

Week9-12: 100mg Test Prop EOD
150mg NNP EOD

proviron throughout @ 25-50mg day

HCG @ 250iu 2 x week

nolva on hand, and starting week 12 @40mg x 2 weeks/ 20mg x 2 weeks for the following 2 weeks.

This is my first time using tren e, so want to keep the dose low.

Using Test P and NNP to ramp up and down.

Any comments?


   
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liftsiron
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The way you your cycle planned is fine although no need to ramp up or down imo. Never use winny agin especially if you had a tendon problem.

liftsiron is a fictional character and should be taken as such.


   
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jboldman
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i agree, forget the winny particularly if you recenetly have had structural problems with your joints. you might recover quicker if you skipped the last four weeks of nnp. I would also start the pct a week later or add another week overall to the pct.

jb


   
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Trevdog
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I agree on the NPP. I don't think the nandrolone will add all that much at the end anyway.


   
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Vic
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Thanks for the response guys...

Amended cycle as follows:

Week:1-4 NNP @ 150mg EOD

Week:1-10 Test E @ 750mg /week
Tren E @ 300mg /week

Week:10-13 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD

I added only the NNP at the beggining of the cycle, hopefully add in my tendon issue and used only the Test Prop at the end of the cycle. I also extended the cycle by adding the Prop a week later and delayed the PCT by a week.

I had some gyno issues on D-Bol a year or so ago, will 25mg proviron be sufficient?

As it is my first time with Tren E, im a bit sceptical, is the dose ok?

About the winni, could that have been the cause of my tendon tear or would that have just agrivaited the injury? I was on for about 6-8 weeks.


   
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Zircon
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the dose is more than enough for tren. I had insne results on 50mg eod. you could lower your dose. I would do 200mg ew on tren, def feel it.

then again i prefer ace, much easier to control...and on 50mg i had some sweats and jitters lol


   
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jboldman
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plus DO NOT rely on proviron for ANY anti-E effects! PERIOD! get some nolvadex for your potential gyno problems.

I can run a very little tren and get amazing results.

jb


   
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Vic
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JB,

Whats a little tren? Should i reduce my weekly to 150mg, 200mg, 250mg?

I used nolvadex on my last cycle when the gyno popped up but i did notice my gains took a bit of a drop. I was hoping the proviron would sort that out. I will have the nolva on hand again should it be a problem.

Is the NPP at the beggining of the cycle and Test Prop at the end of the cycle fine?


   
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Vic
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Bearing in mind in looking at a bulking cycle, how would deca at 500-600mg / week in place of the Tren Enanthate work? I will be increasing my calories by 1500 per day (from 3000 currently to +- 4500, maybe 5000)

Currently im fairly lean, bodyfat around 9,10% so looking for some serious size this winter.

It would be the first time using either compounds so i have no practical experience with them.


   
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jboldman
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test should be the mainstay of your cycle. I am currently seeing good results with 50mg of tren eod. i would suggest either 50 or 75mg eod for the tren. Do not replace test with deca, you will shut downyour bodies normal test production and be subject to the infamous deca dick.

proviron is really not an AI or E blocker and should not be relied upon for that purpose. I really do not see mcuh of a drop in gains using nolvadex if necessary.

jb


   
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Vic
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Thanks JB,

But i was refering to replacing the Tren with Deca. I think i will go with the Tren. Im using Tren E, so 75mg EOD equates to about 225mg/ week, should i go with that dose with the Tren E?

Is using the NPP at the begining of the cycle good in terms of kick-starting the cycle? Ive only used D-Bol, but as i said, gyno was an issue so im avoiding that.

JB, how are you currently running HCG during cycle, i use 250iu twice a week.

As i said im looking for big mass gains.....

Any other suggestions on this cycle.


   
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