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02/08/2018 2:32 pm
I was wondering if when you are cutting should you expect fairly good muscle gains if you are eating adequate amounts of protein? Or should you wait for a bulker to attempt good gains? I want to put more size on my chest so I was thinking of training twice a week to see if that helps but I was wondering if Im cutting at the same time is this counter productive?
02/08/2018 3:10 pm
Sorry: if I understand well, your main objective now is reducing BF, therefore, caloric intake deficit, right? It is pretty hard to shift metabolism so that your energy intake is positively geared to muscle protein synthesis WHILE starving adipocites and forcing lipid breakdown. We usually see this in sedentary individuals starting to train, but many believe it actully hardly happens in any other category of practitioner...
02/08/2018 3:44 pm
marilia nailed it. it is very difficult to be in an anabolic state while running a calorie deficit. At best it is difficult.
jb
02/08/2018 4:44 pm
Although it seems it's not possible to achieve optimal gains while on a cutting diet, it's not difficult to see modest muscle gains while simultaneously dropping body fat. And I'm not only talking about individuals that use gear, this may happen even with steroid-free guys.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
02/08/2018 5:25 pm
hmm, if you are already "trained" and are losing weight, it is unusual to be gaining either strength or muscle. For someone off cycle i would think it would be even more unusual. for someone who is untrained, gaining muscle/strength would be much more likely.
jb
02/08/2018 7:06 pm
I think alot depends on where you start if your near your natural genetic potential limit you won't put on any muscle while cutting. However if your somewhat new to the game from your genetic natural limits and overfat, you can cut, yet build muscle at the same time, although not to the amount that one could add while consuming a greater amount of clean food.
liftsiron is a fictional character and should be taken as such.
02/08/2018 7:45 pm
as liftsiron points out, if you are near your trained potential it is difficult. otoh, if you are keeping the diet just barely sub-maintenence, on steroids, and are taking a few months, sure, you could gain 2-3lbs. I think we are on the same page just at different places. a lot of folks when cutting are running a 1000KC deficit along with cardio. Difficult to pull off +lbm in those circumstances.
jb
02/08/2018 8:38 pm
I see, but just wanted to remember I'm not talking about people who are on steroids or TRT, I'm talking about my clients and other guys that I work with, no novices here.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
02/08/2018 9:20 pm
what kind of caloric restriction are you talking here? how are you measuring lbm gain?
jkb
03/08/2018 5:27 am
I believe that I gained about 5 lbs of LBM in 3 months during my last contest prep.
BW
03/08/2018 6:13 am
what kind of caloric restriction are you talking here? how are you measuring lbm gain?jkb
Not too severe, maybe -500/day, just removing all the simple sugars and other not so healthy foods, it seems it's sufficient to lead to these adaptations. Cardio training counts a lot as well.
Off course I do count lean body mass gain.
I think that BW testimony sumarises well what I'm trying to show here.
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
03/08/2018 7:02 am
of course bw was on "small" doses of steroids.
jb
03/08/2018 8:00 am
of course bw was on "small" doses of steroids.jb
That's a wonderful idea, as always my friend .
"The medals don't mean anything and the glory doesn't last. It's all about your happiness. The rewards are going to come, but my happiness is just loving the sport and having fun performing" ~ Jackie Joyner Kersee.
03/08/2018 8:57 am
lol jb
I think genetics play a part too....but if you stay on a dedicated and well planned diet and training strategy, and use "supplements", you can expect some gains in LBM. But to do this naturally is a different thing and I don't know anyone that has been able to do that...or even maintain it all.
BW
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26/12/2018 12:21 pm
Thanks for the replies. They help alot. I guess I won't expect too much when I cut to gain any lbm. even though summer hasn't even began I can't wait till after summer to begin bulking. I just got to remember Rome wasn't built in a day and that patience will pay off. I just hope I won't lose too much muscle while cutting.
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