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15/08/2018 4:17 am
What do you guys and gals consider to be the biggest, or most widely propagated "myths" or misconceptions in BB, especially related to drug use? These can be ideas that are patently false, or just things for which there is no supporting scientific research, or for which there exists research refuting the notion or claim.
I compiled a short list off the top of my head based on posts and threads that appear regularly on this board. Some of these may be better characterized as controversial rather than false, but I'd like to hear your ideas.
1) The use of thyroid hormone damages the thyroid
See mind and muscle #10
2) GH administration builds muscle mass
No studies have ever confirmed this. Several have refuted it. Hepatic IGF-1 is probably not important to muscle growth
3) Estrogen promotes fat accumulation
Estrogen has been shown to be both anorectic and lipolytic, the latter via reduction of lipoprotein lipase levels
4) Aromatase inhibitors and SERMS reduce the anabolic effects of steroids
Again, there is no research to support this. The effect is claimed to be due to reduction in IGF-1. As mentioned, hepatic IGF-1 is probably relatively unimportant for muscle growth
5) proviron prevents gynecomastia
This is based on the fact that Proviron is 5 alpha reduced, like DHT. Numerous other AAS are 5 alpha reduced and they are not claimed to prevent gyno. Proviron has never been used in a study to treat or prevent gyno
6)winstrol prevents "progestigenic gyno"
There is no evidence that synthetic progestigenic androgens cause gyno, or even contribute to it. Winstrol has been shown to be a progesterone receptor agonist in the one study that looked at this effect
7) Insulin use damages your pancreas
Insulin is routinely used in type 2 diabetes to lower blood sugar. It has not been shown to harm the pancreas in these patients or in any other subjects.
8) Antiestrogens prevent bloat from AAS use
Rather than a myth, this is probably better called a half truth. Androgens can directly promote water retention without aromatizing
9) Androgen receptors need to be "cleaned out" periodically
Androgen receptors are continually being turned over in the body. There is no need to clean out existing receptors because they only have a halflife of a few hours
15/08/2018 5:02 am
Good thread.
The first thing I thought of was t3, from your article.
How about :
- 1-Test is a waste of time (that should be nice and controversial).
- whey protein is a poor choice except post-workout.
The study everyone refers to for this proposition, shows that amino levels are elevated for four hours with whey before they start to decline significantly. Who doesn't eat every four hours? So except for overnight or if about to begin a fast, whey is just as good as any other protein.
- Controversial -- the amount of protein necessary (not gonna touch this one).
- Long duration, low impact cardio is optimal for fat loss.
While it may burn more kcals while doing it, this is outweighted by the metabolic increase of a sufficient HIIT segment.
I am sure I will think of more.
15/08/2018 6:03 am
Re: Biggest Bodybuilding Myths
7) Insulin use damages your pancreasInsulin is routinely used in type 2 diabetes to lower blood sugar. It has not been shown to harm the pancreas in these patients or in any other subjects.
I'm not too comfortable with that.
Keep in mind these are Type II Diabetics already with a defective Islet of Langerhans.
Normal people using insulin are in fact being guinea pigs when it comes time to see if exo insulin use(Causing hyperinsulinemia above and beyond what the body can normally produce) can damage the pancreas.
The damage would be non-existent if people used insulin in cycles, instead of all the time(Pros).
Obviously, 99.9999% of the people here don't use insulin ED.
But some do...and I think thats absolutely crazy.
Just my opinion though.
Fonz
If I want to add flavor to my cooking. . . . . . . I just burn it
There is NO such thing as over training just under EATING. ~ Trey Brewer
15/08/2018 6:52 am
The one I most hear most that all ways makes me laugh is BBldrs have little dicks.
15/08/2018 7:34 am
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Also that most BBers are more vain than most folks.....not sure if that one is true or not
It's not that we're more vain, we just have more to be vain about
15/08/2018 8:34 am
Also that most BBers are more vain than most folks.....not sure if that one is true or not
We aren't more vain, we just have more to be vain about.
Seriously, I think often we are looking at ourselves to compare for progress which gets taken for vainity.
15/08/2018 9:08 am
It's not that we're more vain, we just have more to be vain about
Bastard...beat me to it!
15/08/2018 9:43 am
I see this nonsensical myth popping up more and more often lately: Bromocriptine aids post-cycle recovery.
The very best bodybuilders are neither the hardest, nor the smartest trainers. They are the ones who can take the most weird drugs and live.
15/08/2018 10:31 am
I see this nonsensical myth popping up more and more often lately: Bromocriptine aids post-cycle recovery.
In some cases its true.
Some people have elevated prolactin levels post-cycle.
Hyperprolactinamia directly inhibits the HPTA.
Bromocriptine use to bring these levels down to normal is therefore useful.
However, as Nandi's article on Mind and Muscle pointed out.
Prolactin levels must be reduced back to the NORMAL range not suppressed to almost nil, which would negatively affect HPTA recovery.
It has been speculated that B6 at 200-300mg/day can reduce prolactin levels back to normal......assuming of course the prolactin elevation post-cycle is small.
However, if the elevation is great...only Bromocriptine and Cabergoline can reduce the elevated prolactin levels.
Fonz
If I want to add flavor to my cooking. . . . . . . I just burn it
There is NO such thing as over training just under EATING. ~ Trey Brewer
15/08/2018 10:55 am
ah gee Nandi, #4 is/was one of my favorites. How about we agree on a few things. Serms/anti-estrogens allegedly have their negative effect as a result of their inhibitory effect on estrogen and hence levels of plasma(hepatic) igf-1.
OK, it would certainlyappear that locally expressed igf-1 has a significant effect on muscle growth. You just do not think the plasma levels of igf-1 have a significant effect? Is this about right? If so, then, if I can demonstarte that plasma levels of igf-1 have a significant effect on muscle growth we have a discussion? eh?
jb
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15/08/2018 11:43 am
Well, in rats that are engineered not to produce hepatic IGF, growth of the rats, including skeletal muscle development, is still normal. This sugggests that liver produced IGF is not very significant for muscle development. This jibes with the results of studies that show exogenous GH has no effect on muscle anabolism in humans.
15/08/2018 12:15 pm
Well, in rats that are engineered not to produce hepatic IGF, growth of the rats, including skeletal muscle development, is still normal. This sugggests that liver produced IGF is not very significant for muscle development. This jibes with the results of studies that show exogenous GH has no effect on muscle anabolism in humans.
Nandi,
I see what you are saying, but field experience has proven otherwise. Maybe it does not promote anabolism on paper or in the laboratory, but I know it is a major player in the pharmacological cocktails some of us engineer within our human bodies. I can't pull all the studies like you do, but I cannot deny personal experience and the observation of good friends gaining solid, lean and permanent muscle when added to the stack of anabolics and androgens.HGH is dependant on the androgens to do it's magic regarding muscle cell number and size, whereas androgens and anabolics will provide immediate gratification all by themselves. With hgh, it's all about synergy to see results. Used alone, it has many beneficial effects regarding bodyfat, overall health and skin, but as far as revving up anabolism when used all alone?..... Nah
Clarity
15/08/2018 12:57 pm
I don't know if this qualifies as a myth but what about the fact that HGH in spray form works wonders. It's a myth but i don't know if it should be listed here.
15/08/2018 1:50 pm
"Eq improves endurance" is another one of my favorites.
So is the misconception that certain forms of AS cannot cause gyno.
15/08/2018 2:50 pm
"Eq improves endurance" is another one of my favorites.So is the misconception that certain forms of AS cannot cause gyno.
EQ increases the production of RBC's above and beyond most AAS.
More RBC's = Better capacity to carry oxygen.
Obviously far less of an effect than EPO, but the increased oxygen carrying capacity is noticed by people who play/do endurance oriented sports/activities.
I certainly do. I play soccer and I notice an effect. I don't get this effect from any other AAS.
Anadrol is the only other AAS with potent RBC stimulating properties(It was developed to treat anemia).....its stronger than EQ but since it tends to bloat you, so its not a good choice for the endurance athlete.
Fonz
If I want to add flavor to my cooking. . . . . . . I just burn it
There is NO such thing as over training just under EATING. ~ Trey Brewer
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